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It is called plausible deniability. covering your tracks. if we are going to do something can we cover our tracks by saying there is a reason arc plausible reason somebody else could have done it. it is plausible. >> it is also the basis for impeach. the articles of impeachment just approved by the house of representatives focused on a conversation, focused on a event that basically can be traced facebook the russians. the question beings -- the concern is what is the extent of russian influence over this president? for the president not to disclose that and for the president to seem to be sub...

President. listen to this. >> applying your common sense to this type of situation, you'd think, of course, the president was acting through rudy giuliani. if the united statse of giulian create plausible deniability, i don't think it works because it doesn't make sense. >> what do you think, avalon? >> it's clear from the testimony we've seen the president was referring contentious ukraine questions brought to him by his state department to rudy giuliani saying he understood his mind. he understood the work he wanted to be done. so, you know, there are a lot of bad actors here with their own ...

>> there are a couple ways of addressing it. certainly one of the classic ways is simply saying, with all respect, i resign. that's something i cannot do. another way, and this is quite common in washington, as you all know very well, is to do confidential calls to the press. and that's what we're seeing. we're seeing increasingly the information leaking out of the white house, and i think that's designed in part to refer people to make sure they are okay with the law. >> yeah. and barbara, to robert's point, those are individuals who do all kinds of stuff and do want to have careers. and then...

Unlikely, more likely potentially from iraq, then that is, according to my sources, an additional message to the united states that their economy is vulnerable and that they want to be taken seriously and it's not all about a meeting -- in fact, apparently according to my source, the supreme leader of iran doesn't want a meeting even though the treasury secretary steve mnuchin said president trump was willing to have a meeting no conditions with the iranian president. you have a lot of sort of mixed signals in terms of, you know, verbally from the u.s., but you have at the heart of it, what to...

Response from them. >> it is fascinating. i mean, just clarify for us here, why would putin want this private army, clarissa? >> i think there's a number of reasons, erica. primarily, this is an expendable cheap fighting force that can do any number of things. they're not particularly skilled fighters, but they can guard oil fields or diamond mines, they can train local forces. they do whatever it is that needs to be done, but most importantly there is the element of plausible deniability, the kremlin can shrug their shoulders and say this has nothing to do with us. we have seen that happen be...