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Bank and tax issues, those of course can result in the most -- the higher sentences. but i think the takeaway from today with this plea is that michael cohen at least the way we'll know the most is in several months from now, if the government moves to continue the sentencing to adjourn the sentencing to another date. that will be a signal that maybe there's more behind this plea that meets the eye and that more could be cooperation. >> sarah fagan, i was told by somebody who is close to the president who said karen mcdougal scared him more than any other story that was hanging, and this is th...

Cooperative. cohen should really look at this now and where this is going. >> weiselberg may know more than him and cohen may not be valuable to them any more. you only flip if you're viewed as someone they can't get somewhere else. >> you hit the nail on the head. >> robert costa, let me ask you about your fantastic reporting today. i'm not going to be a punching bag any more. picking up on mimi's point about michael cohen's p.r. campaign. inside the trump white house, trump raged about the release of his and cohen's 2016 conversation about financing the deelt with mcduelingal, former play bo...

Since he's arrived, all of the weaknesses, all the structural weaknesses of the trump white house are, if anything, more clear. >> everything jonathan said is true. but also donald trump has too things going or him that he's counting on. number one, he has succeeded in getting a large portion of the population to distrust the news media. he has immunized himself against a lot of this reporting and he's going to continue doing that to dee legitimatize the fact. number one. number two, he has a base that frankly does not care whether the president lies. they don't care whether he was having a --...

Davis we weren't going to proceed with the meeting period and that's exactly what happened. >> so that's where it stands now, you have not discussed any of it with him, there have been no further discussions? >> there's been no further discussions and there's not going to be any further discussions until and unless michael cohen does the right thing and comes clean. he needs to get off the fence and stop -- >> what happened, then? what was the break down, what happened? >> well, the break down was that it became clear to me that michael cohen wasn't going to provide the information and wasn't ...

We're back now with our breaking news and it's a cnn exclusive. the secret recording between donald trump and his attorney, how they would buy the rights to a play boy model's story about what she says was an affair with trump years earlier. here to discuss it brian stelter and commentators matt lewis, aman did carpenter who is the author of gaslighting america, why we love it when trump lies to us. so great to have all of you on this evening. thank you so much. brian, you first. i want to play the key part of the cohen audio and then we'll talk. here it is again. >> um, i need to open up a co...