Quite similar. >> you're both straight shooters? >> yes. our filters are quite off sometimes. >> mike relied on the support of his wife cynthia. who was also is doing what she loved. quilting, entertaining, cooking. >> you know, she's the old school cook that does not use packages. she creates everything from scratch. >> was he -- >> clearly, he enjoyed the food very much! >> we made them a good match? >> you know it's really funny. she would point out what he was doing, but he is the conservative. and she is very liberal. so i think it was just a lot of balance. they balanced each other very ...