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Fines? >> yes. but it's a bigger issue that they're toying with. what this country seen is that people from all walks of life and plolitical persuasions came together and said when the debt is paid, it's paid and they gave us votes of love and we did it without engaging in partisan pall tlks. what this world seen was how much we can accomplish when politicians keep their hands out of the people's business. now they're trying to drag this momentous win. they're trying to drag this moment where we brought people together, this unifying moment where people from all walks of life and political per...

The fact there is a burden that's been lifted from them. they can look at this somewhat differently now. and i think all of them, whatever their plolitical persuasions, had great a admiration for the president's decision. he made a correct decision, including the issue of disposing of bin laden's body. these are men who exercise bravery every day in their lives. i think they admire that in the president. >> did it impact at all, mayor giuliani, your thinking about running for president next year? >> not in the slightest. i separate the two things. this was an american achievement. two presiden...