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They spewed messages like war against democrats several times. they also tried to use black lives matter. could they have done that without some american intel on who to target and what to say? >> no. when i wrote "plot to hack america" i think my initial estimate was the russian intelligence contribution to the plan, as i calculated right down to the individual watch stand, would have been about 300 people who would be 24/7/365 watching u.s. media. but the level of targeteering is es poe th exponentially greater than that. where you needed to deliver propaganda content in order to

Intelligence spy hunting team going through his links to a possible gru and other intelligence agencies. peter smith in relation to mike flynn is a tier three person. roger stone being the second tier there. there were, obviously, multiple dirty tricks who were there trying to coordinate this information. and i happen to know because i wrote about it in my book "plot to hack america." the genesis of this story came from russia in march of 2016 and it came to fox news through judge napalotano where they claim the inner workings of the -- by july turned into an obsession on the basis of trump's ...

Going to give you something that you want for whatever you pay him. either that's money or is, you know, not disclosing a secret or something else of but just getting somebody to do your bidding without them absolutely knowing, that's to me is impossible. >> malcolm, same question, what you know about how this process works. >> well, it's quite simple. and what jack said there was very, very true. this is a relationship. it's a dance that goes on between two people. and if you don't know that that officer is an intelligence officer, and they spot you as a target, they can very easily manipulat...

Talking about the russian investigation. >> do you get the sense the federal investigation into this includes something beyond the trump campaign, a cover-up question? >> i think that's right. it does. i know what the president told me when he called to say he was firing him. that turned out not to be the reason. >> i'm ask you, malcolm, how wide range doing you think this investigation ultimately will go? >> you know, as i wrote in my book "plot to hack america" i will be discussing with john dean today in the watergate trials. nine months ago we saw this would go in multiple directions. its ...

In the country started to exacerba exacerbate. where the audience went that's where the business goes. i would say the legacy is very complex and gretchen carlson, a very good friend of mine, former miss america, and hold her in high regard. there is a legacy of what he did in business and people he worked with. we should always try to balance and lack at both. as individuals when we're remembered we want to be remembered more than our demons. >> you said something very important to one of my favorite books i keep on selling this book and not getting a commission for it. joan, you wrote a book...