And independent -- >> democrat senator tim kaine who serves on the armed services and foreign relations committee joins me now. healthcare, front and center, you've got lisa murkowski and of course susan collins standing firm. and look at the pressure being brought on her and other members of the alaska delegation by ryan zinke the interior secretary. >> that pressure is intense. but what lisa said is pretty important clr is we're getting pressure from our constituents to help them and not hurt them. in terms of who the pressure is coming from, i don't have any doubt that senator murkowski is ...