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the framers of the constitution who divided power and authority, who separated it out, who had broken away from george the third, and declared him to be a tyrant. there was no way that they would've put in the hands of one person the authority to determine who is going to be president of the united states. >> was it your present impression that the vice president had directly conveyed his position on these issues to the president, not just to the world through your colleagues letter, but directly to president trump? >> many times. and he had been consistent and conveying his position...

president trump, partly out of concern it would give the appearance of pressure on the attorney general. politico argues that the first three hearings essentially did that for them, laying out stark evidence that trump and his allying now the election was not rig, but they pushed the big lie anyway. there's new evidence that the department of justice may be growing frustrated against the committee as well. we learned of a strongly worded letter by the doj, in which the department accuses committee members of complicating investigations by withholding transcripts of witness interviews...

Anybody with the impression the military or cia was on the verge of tilting over in one political direction. that's not the case, i don't believe. >> well, i think what the book details -- and i want to bring you back in, eli, the book details the transfer of power, which is a little bit more than the ministerial functions, the transfer of power was in question, and you look at the scene and it was clear trump wanted pence to stop the peaceful transfer of power. you can't describe it as peaceful. i want to come back and read the section dan goldman describes about pardoning. eli, there was som...