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Outside parliament there, including teachers and school children, many of them waving flags, big smiles on their faces. King charles himself seemed to be in a better mood today. As he greeted the crowd outside the castle this morning, the crowd responded by cheering him on. Of course, the mood is likely to shift again as we get closer to the queens funeral on monday. Just a short time ago, we saw the new prince and princess of wales, william and kate, meeting with troops who will be taking part in that ceremony. The king and husband siblings are scheduled to hold a vigil by the coffin just about 90 minutes from now. Among our guests later in the show, the queens Formerer Chaplain and a Protocol Expert on the challenges of tealing with as many as 500 Heads Of State and dignitaries. Put its also a very busy day in politics. Dramatic developments into multiple Government Investigations involving former president trump. Judge cannon refused to let the probe of those classified documents go forward until a Special Master looks through them. A job that could take ten weeks. At same time, were getting our first look at the scope of the governments massive investigation into january 6. Dozens of new subpoenas covering communications and documents on everything from fundraising for the January 6th Rally to alternate elector schemes in six states. I want to bring in justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian. Joyce vance is a former attorney and an msnbc legal analyst. Sam stein is our white house editor and nbc news contributor. Ken, lets start with i want to put on the screen some of the topics of the subpoenas, as laid out by the washington post. Along with the kmoun indications about alternate electors, they want any communication with anyone in the doj, anything related to election certification, fraud or fraud claims, any information they got challenging fraud claims, anything sent to officials regarding fraud or the election, anything related to the save america pac or sent to the January 6th Committee and they are asking for all of this from dozens of people. What is going on . Just to be clear, these are the same subpoenas that nbc news told you about a few days ago first reported by the washington post. As many as 30 subpoenas out to various people in trump world. What the post has done here is gotten some more details about whats in the subpoenas and the vast array of documents and Commuications Records that they are seeking. We were told by bernard carr risks lawyer this was one of the broadest subpoenas he had ever seen. Now we see the evidence of what hes talking about. There seems to be three distinct areas they are looking at. They are looking at the rally leading up to january 6th. They are looking at the false elector scheme, ander they are looking at fundraising by the save america pac and whether there was fraud in fundraising around allegations that the election was stolen. So those subpoenas went out on the edge of the 60day quiet period where we dont expect the doj to take public action around an election. So what they have done here is they have put out requests for a ton of documents that they will now get to chew on for the next two months. Ken mentioned the attorney for bernie, who received one of the subpoenas, who said, the widest and most obtuse subpoena i have seen in my years practicing criminal law and a scatter shot for anything related to donald trump. Im wondering if it seems overly broad to you or is this the norm when you have an investigation this big . Thats his assessment. He certainly might have an ax to grind with regards to the investigation having received a subpoena. The reality here is this is an extra ordinarily complex situation. Doj is investigating at least one, possibly more than one potential conspiracy that span a period of many months that have a lot of moving parts, but all of them have is their object. The prosecution of the former president s big lie about fraud and the election. That to say, i think these subpoenas seem appropriate. They ask for evidence that these people have. They are trying to avoid a situation where one of these people who receives a subpoena could say, well, the subpoena wasnt broad enough to reach certain information, so i didnt provide it to you. Doj wants to get it all at once. It knows it will have a fight on uts hands some of the witnesses may try to duck the subpoenas. Some of them will tla their compliance. So i suspect doj will spend months gathering this evidence and a few more months trying to look through it. So then you have the florida judge refusing the dojs request to restart their investigation into the documents seized at maralago. What were the grounds for refusal and where does it go from here . It was not just that she handed a defeat to the Justice Department. Its that this judge baseically told the Justice Department that she cannot rely on their assurances on some very basic things in a criminal investigation about documents gathered pursuant to a lawful warrant. She could not rely on their assurance that they were classified nor that they werent subject to privilege. Led me read to you. The court does not find it appropriate to accept the conclusions on these important and disputed issues without further review by a neutral third party. So thats why shes imposing the Special Master. She wants that master to review all the 11,000 documents seized, including the 100 classified documents she rejected the dojs request that she temporarily stayed part of the of the order and immediately allowed them to use them in the criminal investigation. They told her this was a matter of National Security. The United States was suffering irreparable harm. She rejected that. You havent even shown me these documents got to the wrong place. Thats exactly what the doy is investigating. Its really a remarkable thing for a judge to do. Its one thing to be skeptical about the governments claims. Its another thing to essentially suggest that they are not on the level. The fbi agents filling out sworn statements. The National Security division of Justice Department. If thats what shes done, we are expecting an appeal. Joyce, i saw your tweet on this. You called it a terrible ruling. Why . It is a terrible ruling for the rule of law and for americans confidence in the integrity of the courts and of the Justice Department. Perhaps this is a little bit in the legal weeds. I think ken does a great job of explaining it. But judges are supposed to make decisions based on the facts and the evidence thats put in front of them. Theres no evidence here that suggests that doj is representing classiication of documents in an improper way. No evidence that suggests that there are any problems at all. They were seized pursuant to a lawful subpoena. But the judge simpy rejects dojs representation that documents that are clearly stamped and marked with classification markings have, in fact, been classified by the government. Its a little bit mind bogglingly difficult to have to explain how this could ever will the case. Anyone who worked in government, who handled classified materials, will had tell you that they are presumptively classified if they carry that marking. This judge has no evidentiary basis, no reason that she articulates for rejecting dojs representations. She just says i dont trust you, and i need a neutral third party to advise me. I suppose thats the final irony here. Because she actually is the neutral third party. The federal judge appointed, received tenure to ebb sure her decisions are objective. Shes supposed to make these decisions. Why were undergoing a delay of a magistrate judge a z a mystery. We also heard from donald trump. He was talking about what would happen if he was indicted. Take a listen. I think if it happened, i think youd have problems in this country, the likes of which perhaps we have never seen before. I dont think the people of of the United States would stand for it. What kind of problems . I think youd have big problems. I just dont think theyd stand for it. They will not sit still and stand for this ultimate of hoaxes. He also said that being indicted wouldnt stop him from running for president. Whats your take away from all that . On the wasnt hand one hand, hes giving a Permission Structure to riot. Thats what he was talking about. Others have said it. On the other hand, its evident to me from our reporting that he believes and knows that hes under siege politically. This is not an opportunistic place to be. His poll numbers have improved in the context of a republican primary. Yes, hes fundraising very well off the fact that the fbi seized material from his maralago home. If youre donald trump having not just this records probe over your head, but the January 6th Probe and then probes in New York State involving your business, its not just a huge distraction. Its a resource suck. You have to devote millions of dollars and Attorney Fees just to tackle these things. It distracts you politically as well. Were very near the time when youll start to see the formulation of the 2024 president ial campaign. People will start dipping their toes in the water. Trump is going to likely have a lot of these looming legal issues hanging over his head as this process begins. Then you have this new New York Times poll that shows a much brighter outlook for democrats and frankly joe biden himself. The question of whether the country is on the right track. Independents show 18 points on whether biden is doing a good job. Democrats are up 13 points to 83 . Independents up 14 points. I really noticed this one minneapolis voter who was quoted in the article and said he stands with the republicans on economic issue, but is going to vote democrat in november for one reason. And thats to oppose trump. Which is exactly what happened to him in 2020. And its interesting to watch trumps reemergence, he never really went away, but when you look at 2024 and the possibility of him running, that poll was interesting. Those are like literally blaring neon signs as they drive down the street every day. So that feeds into this. And then you have the Dobbs Decision that put Abortion Rights squarely on the political landscape. But i do think theres something to the idea that trump is blotting out a lot of of the news. When this is a referendum on trump and not joe biden, thats to the benefit of joe biden. In some ways republicans have the worst of all worlds in this sight the right now. They have trump in the news for all the wrong reasons. They dont have trump on the ballot, which means trump voters, but they see trumps legal issues being discussed every day. I think all those three factors are ep hadding our democrats. Great to have all of you on on a friday afternoon. Thank you. Here in london, hundreds of thousands of mourners, including one of the most famous athletes in the world, waiting up to 24 hours in a mileslong line to see the queen. My conversations with some of them who dont seem to mind the wait at all. 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Were in it for as long as it takes. Those folks are like so many people i talked to this morning online. They were strangers. Now they are bonded by this emotional and physical journey to remember the queen. Let me bring in matt bradley. And matt, some of the other people i met this morning, a man walking with a cane, a military officer, a american, there were families with kids in strollers. Not a Single Person talked to complained about the wait. Among those i did not see, however, was one of the most famous athletes in the world David Beckham. Its really quite remarkable all the people who are lining up. Reporter its really just incredible. The line is right here below me. And Somebody Just yelled at me because they can see now where they are headed. Its within view. Somebody yelled and said were almost there. I got to tell them, no, they have four or five more hours before waiting time before they get into the palace behind me. You were mentioning David Beckham. It seems like by far the most high profile person to wait in line for 12 hours. If you can imagine that famous footballer, how many times people must have asked for a selfie during that time. It was only a little while ago that David Beckham was almost as famous as the queen. His name was one of the most recogniable in the world. It just goes to show even an i object credibly famous person like that is going to stand in line and wait and wait just to salute the queen. Someone asked him why he was there and what he was feeling. Heres what he had to say. Its what we all envisioned. We all want to be here together and experience something. Something like this today is meant to be shared together. The fact that we have been here, were eating pringles and sandwiches and having coffee. Reporter there you have it. One of the most famous former footballers in the world, or Soccer Player i should say, paying tribute to the longest reigning monarch in british history. A lot of of other very famous people, many of them Heads Of State, are coing in for mondays funeral. What new details are we learning ahead of monday . Reporter were learning essentially theres going to be three funerals, three services. One of them is going to be behind me. Not in westminster palace, but in Westminster Abbey across the street. The mourning of the funeral when all of this is done, the lying in state, her coffin will be transferred across the street in another massive ceremonial funeral cortege. After that, there will be a service for about 2,000 people, capacity at Westminster Abbey, which as you know, has in the past been host to major royal weddings. Now the royal funeral, and after that the queens coffin will be moved to windsor castle. Thats out west. Its about an hours drive from here. And thats where there will be another funeral and then about 800 people. Then a much smaller funeral for just her family before shes interred alongside her husband. Matt bradley, thank you for that. Later were going to speak with Queen Elizabeth iis former chaplain about his personal experiences with the queen and how her faith will shape mondays services. But first, friction on migration. The Tension Building between the president and his top Immigration Officials as gop governors put people on buss from the border and send them to democratic cities. Thats next. Cratic cities. That nsext. My asthma felt anything but normal. A blood test helped show my asthma is driven by eosinophils, which nucala helps reduce. Nucala is a oncemonthly addon injection for severe eosinophilic asthma. Nucala is not for sudden breathing problems. Allergic reactions can occur. Get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. Infections that can cause shingles have occurred. Dont stop steroids unless told by your doctor. Tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection. 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Good to have you on. Julia, you have been reporting on that friction between the Biden White House and dhs. Tell us more. This is according to documents we have reviewed and internal communications. It shows mounting frustration. Theres been a series of meetings lately between the white house and senior dhs officials where they try to come up with Different Solutions to whats happening on the border. The numbers across the porder are rising this month. That typically happens as Summer Temperatures cool down. They also have whats happening with these republican governors trying to make political statements. But they have been presented with an option to fly migrants from overcrowded border towns into cities across the u. S. But not in a way that would sew chaos. But rattner a way to allow partners to be able to receive them, shelters to know they are coming to provide them the appropriate care, temporarily until they could find a relative or someone to live with before their day in immigration court. It would look different in practice, but we know the white house has been reluctant to do this until the numbers of Border Crossings get to 9,000 a day. Right now they are around 8,000. Dhs officials think the time to plan and the time to act is now. So those two sides are really budding heads over how to deal with the rise of migrants at the border. Toif point out that next month a court ruling could lift title 42,s thats the covid19 restriction that has kept migrants from being able to cross. They could be looking at more of a sushlg right before the november midterms. Thank you for your ongoing reporting on this crisis. You were in new york city. 11,000 migrants entered the system there sibs may. The mayor says its at a breaking point. What are you seeing and hearing . Were outside of the new resource navigation center. What we have seen is migrants arriving throughout the entire day. They are coming here for all kinds of resources. People tell us they have been getting metro cards and i. D. , connecting with lawyers and making medical appointments here, enrolling their kids in schools while they end up pursuing an asylum claim. For them, this is not about politics. Making it to texas and being grateful for the bus ticket to come here to new york and to try to restart their lives. Take a listen to a conversation that i had. The citys resources are understandably strained with about 8,000 migrants currently in the Shelter System here. They are taking a look at the mandate in the city. And right now it looks like thats still in place. They are getting people to as many beds adds possible. What the city is able to offer as they continue to arrive likely in the thousands over the next couple weeks and months. As pointed out, these are human beings who have been traveling for weeks in some cases months. Many cases they dont even know where they are going. Tropping human beings in cities run by people you dont like isnt helping. Its scoring points addicted to a steady drip of cruelty and dehumanization. And Hillary Clinton addressed ron desantis this morning. Nobody wants open borders who has any idea of how governments and countries work. But nobody wants inhumane terrible treatment of human beings either. So what can be done now to try to make sure that this crisis is handled in the most humane way possible . Its a great question. Its important to understand that each political ploy that we see creates an opportunity for us as a nation to answer this question of what is our moral and legal responsibility. When we see these images, were talking about people who cross the border. They saw u. S. Officials and exercise a legal right. They were processed, documented and they received papers for how to pursue legal cases. Thats where its important to understand that all they want is to be treated as human beings as opposed to cattle being herded from state to state. Theres a few things the administration can do. One is to provide the federal resources that are necessary. Obviously, d. C. Mayor bouzer did request assistance from the National Guard twice. That was rejected. Immigration is a federal issue and needs to have a national response. The second part is recogniing that there is infrastructure. We operate in states from new mexico to north dakota to North Carolina that serve them and theres a way that the federal government needs to step up and coordinate the movements because otherwise what you are going to see is more and more governors getting into this political grand standing. It is a fact that some states are carrying the burden more than others. But ill also say slox i have been a journalist for deades, we have been talking about the need for comprehensive Immigration Reform and it hasnt happened. What is it going to take to get the parties to really confront these complexities ands at least attempt real reform rather than scoring some shortterm political points. Maybe because i had a faith based organization, but the honest truth is a miracle. We know whether its political leaders or administration officials, immigration is viewed as the third rail of american politics. While we have seen bold action from the white house on climate crisis, inflation infrastructure, we have seen far more relctance to act, whether its the southern border. The reason why we have so many coming through the southern border is because there is no real way to come into the u. S. So many people said why arent they coming legally. Last year marked the fewest annual number of immigrants since 2010. So thats what underscores that this Illusion Nieds to be driven by the white house, but we really need to see congress do something meaningful because they havent done anything for 30 years. Thank you both. Coming up, biden 2024. Nbc news has exclusive new reporting about the president s top aids are planning behind the scenes for a possible reelection bid. And their big question about the midterms. Plus pressure growing for Vladimir Putin. Even the pope is blessing efforts for other countries to arm ukraine. His new mess act on the the war as the u. S. Is sending another major package to boost ukrainian forces. All of that is next. Forces all of thaist next. Peaceful state. Full plate. Wait, are you my blind date . Dancing crew. Trip for two. Nail the final interview. Buy or lease . Masterpiece. Inside joke. Artichoke. Game with doug. Brand new mug. Come here, kid. Gimme a hug. The more you want to do, the more we want to do. Boosters designed for covid19 variants are now available. 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What they have realized is that they can raise about 875,000 a year from the biggest donors at the dnc because of State Operating Agreements they have with each of the parties. Opposed to the 2900 each donor is admitted to give. With barack obama was a real concentration on funding the Reelection Campaign outside and Organizing For America rather than the dnc. A lot of this is structural. I talked to the former white house aid who is at the dnc. He said basically that they are building for 2024 while helping the 2022 midterms by increasing the infrastructure at the dnc. Is this really just starting . How far along are they and do we have any sense of consideration for when a final decision might be made . As you know, Everything In Biden World is deliberative. So probably not going it hear an announcement from President Biden any time soon. It will take awhile. And one of the benefits of building the partys structure opposed to trying to stand up a campaign right now is that it does buy a little extra time. Theres a lot of things they can do through the dnc that are Campaign Activities that dont require that formalized launch of a campaign. So i wouldnt expect to hear President Biden make a formal announcement until after the midterms and maybe not well into next year. Its interesting when you talk about the midterms because if they are talking about campaign messaging, thats got to be informed by whatever happens in november. In part by what happens in november, but they are sort of testing out those themes now. You see testing from President Biden. One of the themes they have been talking about is interestingly promises made, prolss kept, which some folks may remember from Donald Trumps last campaign is one of his slogans. But the biden folks look at this as a positive contrast. Senator coons told a colleague for this story we also did with mike memoli that basically they love that contrast. If you look at the Promises Biden Made and compare them to the ones trump kept and made, biden is a in a much better position. Thank you very much. We appreciate it. With the war in ukraine faultering, Vladimir Putin faces several harsh realities today. When he met with chinas president , he was told he has questions and concerns about putins invasion of ukraine. And its not just poout. The pope told governments Around The World that providing weapons to ukraine can be morally acceptable and he added that in the face of aggression, selfdefense is not only lawful, but an expression of love of country. Meantime, the u. S. Just announced plans for more help. President biden signing off on a 600 million arms package. And today ukrainian president Vladimir Putin announced that they found 400 boies at a Mass Burial Site in a territory reclaimed by ukraine this week. 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I dont think i realized that at the time. So much of what well see here on monday, the queen consulted on personally. Here with us now is former chaplain to the queen gavin ashington. How much of the qualities that made made so many people love her, and they talked to me about it this morning, her sense of duty, her constanty, her humility, were informed by the queens faith, do you think . Well, i think pretty much all of them. And theyve been sort of counter cultural. During the course of her life, we moved from a series of christian matters in society, to one that is really very different. But as societies a grown less christian, more self obsessed, more self indulgent, it almost as if the queens faith was more questioned and her faith became informed by a lively loving kind of attentive generosity that isnt always automatic to elderly people, and there was a sense that somehow her relationship with god was at the heart and it is producing the generosity of spirit. People responded to it. And i think the love that you hear people talking about, as she inspired in them is, directly proportionate to the love of god that she experienced herself. So knowing her, and knowing her faith, what do you think she would want to see on monday . We are, as i said, told that she had many personal touches to the funeral. Well, i think she wants to see a kind of celebration. I dont mean that we dont have any grief, but she cared very deeply for this country an she gave her life for it, for its stability, for its democracy, for its flourishing for awful her life, i think what she would want to see is a nation joined together, sharing love and grief, and also i think some of her faith and hope in god. And the funeral will be viewed in person by as many as 500 Heads Of State, and dignitaries. The intricacies of protocol boggle the mind. I know youve been to many Major International events. Give us a sense of what is facing the palace in that regard. Well, the Planning Process is quite daunting. But from what i glean, from many of my former colleagues in protocol, they have this down. They clearly of course have been planning for this for some time, and as you note, chris, her majesty herself was part of the Planning Process. As is the case with many chiefs of state and heads of government. They put before them a manual that details every moment of this ceremony, so right now, in london, there are thousands of people from Around The World, each attending to the particulars of their leaders movements, from the moment that plane lands on the tarmac, throughout the various events that have been planned by buckingham palace, and im sure as well, 10 downing street, et cetera, into the moment that they take off. And you were exactly that person, if im recalling correctly, you were with president obama when he went to buckingham palace. One thing ive heard repeatedly about her, she made people feel comfortable and what is frankly a pretty high stress situation. What was it like for you . Well, i had to say that memory is so extraordinary. I cherish it today, more so than ever. And i look back fondly to every second of that visit. There you are in buckingham palace. Its grand. Its elegant. And youre the the, i would say the height of protocol, but her majesty was her own chief of protocol. No one led her. No one told her what to do. She kept time on her own personal watch, scooting along, president obama, telling him it was time to move along, every now and again, and throughout every detail of that visit, every event of that visit, she was very precise, and yet, as you say, chris, so warm, so inviting. There was a moment that i shared with her personally, at the end of the evening, theres a reception that her majesty hosts, just after the dinner, and everyone gathered there, and i was incredibly honored to be a part of this, a part of the president s delegation that attended, and im standing against the wall, speaking with some of my colleagues and all of a sudden i see her making her way towards us and my custom is to back against the wall and allow her to pass and she approached me and she came right up to me, and she said, well, and who are you . Ill try not to imitate the queen. I have a habit of doing that. And i said, well im Capricia Marshall the United States chief of protocol, president obamas chief of protocol and she said, she sort of sighed and she said, a very hard job indeed. Well done. Well, i just was about to burst. And i looked around to see if anyone noticed that she was talking to me, and i was incredibly honored, so very, very privileged for that moment, and again, as i said, i will cherish it forever, she made me feel so very special, and also really honored for the position i held in government. Gavin, we have literally only 30 seconds left, but that story that you just heard from capricia, is that the queen you knew . Absolutely. And it didnt matter what role you occupied, she had this fine detail for human beings. And was always concerned for them. She was just one of the most selfgiving alert and kind people you will ever meet as well as being the queen, she was a downtoearth and normal person. It was a great winning combination. Gavin ashenden, Capricia Marshall, what a great way to end our friday. Thank you very much both of you for being with us. And that will do it for us this hour. In just about 30 minutes or so, king charles, princess ann, Prince Edward and Prince Andrew will hold a vigil at the queens coffen in westminster hall, and tomorrow, my colleague Richard Engel examines how people in the u. K. Are processing the news of Queen Elizabeths passing and somehow she became one of britains most iconic diplomats. Watch the constant queen, tomorrow, 10 00 p. M. Eastern, on msnbc. And keep it right here, katy tur reports, starts live from london next. He worlds 1 selling nerve care company. Nervive contains Alpha Lipoic Acid to relieve occasional nerve aches, weakness and discomfort. Try nervivenerve relief. Businesses have to find new ways to compete in order to thrive in an everchanging market. The right relationship with a bank who understands your industry, as well as the local markets where you do business, can help lay a Solid Foundation for the future. 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