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Malcolm's point is -- >> why did he say that? >> why does donald trump say the things he says? who knows? but this counter intelligence aspect is very important. that is certainly what is going on. the question becomes what crimes can people be charged with. if some american who is connected to the trump campaign helped the russians leak some of these wikileaks documents is that a crime? is that representing a foreign government without registering? that is a pretty minor crime. >> but what if somebody said look at the podesta stuff. he is doing communications with palmieri, and found out abou...

They are looking for spies or people who have ties to russian intelligence from the trump campaign. >> what is the significance of the fact that i remember trump once went on television one time and said i want the russians to hack into the democrats, knowing what they are up to. is that prima facie evidence? >> this counterintelligence aspect is very important. that is certainly what is going on. the question is, what crimes can people be charged with? if some american who is connected to the trump campaign helped the russians is that a crime? is that representing a foreign government? that i...

Shocked by that? >> the question is not that they tried, the question is, did they succeed? and the answer is absolutely no not. russia did not set up a private server in hillary clinton's basement and put classified information on it. >> megyn: she said the best stuff but they exposed it. bad stuff. you think donald trump did nothing at all? there is nothing to find there? >> what i'm saying is i don't think this was the tipping point in the election in any way, shape, or form. most of these stories that hurt hillary clinton were broken by "the new york times." >> megyn: the podesta stuff. do...

No other intelligence agency is backing up the cia on this. if that evidence is there, president obama owes this nation like president reagan did on the 007 downing that the russians did back in the '80s when and president kennedy had to have pictures at the u.n. showing the russian missiles in cuba. that's what is needed for the president to come back with this severe belief in response. i don't believe that's available by the fact that there's no new information. >> here's the question. i'll put it to you, congressman king. in the cia's defense they say you can draw the inference because all...

Backing up the cia on this. if that evidence is there, president obama owes this nation like president reagan did on the 007 downing that the russians did back in the '80s when and president kennedy had to have pictures at the u.n. showing the russian missiles in cuba. that's what is needed for the president to come back with this severe belief in response. i don't believe that's available by the fact that there's no new information. >> here's the question. i'll put it to you, congressman king. in the cia's defense they say you can draw the inference because all of the stuff that came out hurt...