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Ways that you outlined in your opening. so i think, again and again we all wonder why. >> yeah, what's the deal here quality to this. and obviously we have the mueller report. there's -- we believe a kind of counterintelligence aspect that we don't have public access that may have looked at vectors of compromise. we do know that the president's campaign lied about the duration of the business interests, is pursuing them actively into the campaign and all that. but in some ways, it's almost as -- his kim jong-un behavior is almost as inexplicable. he seems to think that that guy is one of the b...

Ways that you outlined in your opening. so i think, again and again we all wonder why. >> yeah, what's the deal here quality to this. and obviously we have the mueller report. there's -- we believe a kind of counterintelligence aspect that we don't have public access that may have looked at vectors of compromise. we do know that the president's campaign lied about the duration of the business interests, is pursuing them actively into the campaign and all that. but in some ways, it's almost as -- his kim jong-un behavior is almost as inexplicable. he seems to think that that guy is one of the b...

On cnn's "new day" earlier this morning. listen to this. >> i think it's beyond his mandate. the mandate is what happened during the 2016 election in terms of collusion. that's the key idea. >> that's not accurate, is it? >> no. there's a multipart mandate. point one of it is to continue the counterintelligence investigation that comey testified was under way in march. so front and center in mueller's investigation is the counterintelligence aspect of it. i think this -- gloria, you were just speaking about it -- relates exactly to that. was there an effort by the russians to compromise trump ...

Russian hacking campaign. clearly that has been going on. we've seen news reporting in the past from foreign special intelligence and stuff that has been passed on and now clearly a warrant has been issued and people are being investigated. i want to call attention to two words. counterintelligence. that means this is a spy hunting investigation. they are looking for spies or people who have ties to russian intelligence from the trump campaign. >> well, you know what's the significance of the fact that i remember trump once went on television and said i want the russians to hack into the democ...

They are looking for spies or people who have ties to russian intelligence from the trump campaign. >> what is the significance of the fact that i remember trump once went on television one time and said i want the russians to hack into the democrats, knowing what they are up to. is that prima facie evidence? >> this counterintelligence aspect is very important. that is certainly what is going on. the question is, what crimes can people be charged with? if some american who is connected to the trump campaign helped the russians is that a crime? is that representing a foreign government? that i...