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Ron desantis who is floating this idea that if you become president, he will pardon trump. is this a missed opportunity for the sentence once again to carve out that space by the donors want him to carve out to go after trump? >> yes, it is. at this point desantis has been damaged goods. it's exactly what tom says. imagine if we are at the augusta beating trump decides not to show up. the moderator asks the republican candidates about the indictments against him. those republican candidates with the exception of chris christie are going to sit around and mouth the same defenses that trump hims...

Carve out to go after trump? >> it is. at this, point desantis is damaged goods. i used to echo what tom says. imagine we are at the artist debate and trump decides not to show. up the moderator asked the republican candidates about the indictments against him. those republican candidates with the exception of chris christie are going to sit around and mouth the same defenses of trump that trump himself would be making. that's like the weird topsy-turvy world we live in. not only are the other republicans not going to go after trump or the indictments, they're going to defend him against them....

A voter like myself, i'm not going to support someone who won't support continuing aid to ukraine. the point desantis makes is china is the biggest u.s. adversary right now. i don't dispute that, but he argues we can't walk and chew gum, support our ukrainian allies while countering china. i disagree with that outright. i think we can do both of those and frankly a victorious putin is a boon to china. i imagine he has to clarify this at some point, before it gets closer and closer to a nomination. >> ron, a two-pronged question. how many republicans agree with alyssa's view here, and in genera...