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Former GOP representative Joe Scarborough and Mika Brezinski interview newsmakers, politicians and pundits about the issues of the day. Former GOP representative Joe Scarborough and Mika Brezinski interview newsmakers, politicians and pundits about the issues of the day. Disapprove. The numbers are shifting for the president . Talked about it for a long time. A bit of narrow casting. But this is about as narrow casting as it gets. Willie, all i can say for donald trump and republicans who are hoping, like a special election in ohio tonight, the republicans hoping that hes somehow going to get ...

That are on trump's team have any intention or any desire to cooperate and i really think that's kind of the end of it. >> why, though? at this point giuliani said he's not going to cooperate. what is the reasoning behind him not cooperating? to a certain extent they're just going to come after him even more and then it seems as if he's having something to hide. >> he doesn't have any incentive to cooperation as far as he's concerned, who is he pleasing, what constituency of his is he pleasing, what constituency of donald trump's who is what den grated this commission as illegitimate. >> what ...

Are -- are doing is illegitimate. this letter was sent to the congressional committees this afternoon by jon sale who is giuliani's now former attorney. giuliani is telling us that he has parted ways with jon sale. this part of the inquiry or this interaction with congress is over in his view. but we're talking to people close to rooulg and they're vising that he needs a real lawyer, an attorney who will handle this investigation that is ramping up in the southern district of new york and manhattan because there is some real legal problems he faces as a result of this investigation, jake. we'r...

To who they should be listening to. this is a new president. he has never been in politics before. many of the people surrounding him have never been in politics. of course it stands to reason that they would be concerned as to whether they should be listening to the -- trump's political lawyer or to the state department. we now know that the two may have been working together, and in fact it may be that the state department was facilitating rudy giuliani's contacts with the ukrainian government. in my meeting, to be clear, zelensky did not make any connection between the aid that had been cut...

Commentator and host of cnn "smerconish." what do you make of this? the president's personal lawyer is pointing a finger back at the president's administration? >> so rudy giuliani has been portrayed in a lot of this thus far as a rogue agent. in the complaint, the whistle-blower uses the word "circumvention" to describe concerns he was hearing from others about rudy giuliani's role. now giuliani responds and shows these texts. one of which is thanking him for his involvement and comes from someone named volker, our special representative to ukraine. the point giuliani wants us to realize he w...