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You can have a private interview much like we've done through the intelligence committee through the last year he can be subpoenaed. there's many avenues that can be attempted. >> what does it say about your ability to function as a co equal branch of government providing oversight if the president is able to without facing any sanction publicly intimidate witnesses away fr testifying before you? >> i think it's a gross abuse of power and at some point the president is going to pay for that. we have to build a case but i see the extent to which he has done things to michael cohen beyond the tw...

Goes down. i'm telling you watch those numbers because at some point it's too much pain for the republicans, many of a whom face tough reelections. >> there's a few people like susan collins, cory gardner who is going to be looking at their vote on knees two votes. radically changing asylum and wall money. then the clean cr. just reopen the government. what do you think we'll see? >> mitch mcconnell says he wasn't going to put show bills on the floor of the senate. that's exactly what he's doing because there's going to be a failure. there's 10 bills that have been passed in the house and sent...

Endless war. we are getting to the point where people will be sent to afghanistan very soon who weren't even alive in 2001. now what you don't do is notify your pentagon by tweet that you're going to be pulling out. but there is no question that we need to bring a close to that engagement. and all of our -- >> wait, let me just stop you there, because i've heard that for most of my adult life. what does that mean concretely? >> i think concretely it means engaging with the parties on the ground, making sure there is some hope of stability there, but also recognizing that we can't be the indefi...

Tampering with a witness a crime, to your mind? >> absolutely it's a crime. that's an attempt to silence a witness and that's what the president's doing because he does not want his dirty laundry aired. >> if you're saying intimidating a witness, tampering with a witness a crime, the president has committed that crime in full view. it's not like we've got leaked recordings. he's been doing it in public and he's doing obstruction right in front of everyone? >> i think that will become clearer after we speak with michael cohen and that's going to be important to both mr. c can ummings and schiff...

A vote. we need a chance for tuse see who's voting to reopen the government and who's not. and we can take our course of action based on that. i think there's a couple things at play. first, that's who was holding things at that point in time. but the seconds is these kinds of symbolic gestures are really meaningful. we have to do more than sit around and wait for him to finally dewhen he wants to do something. >> and you passed in the house i think nine different time, nine different bills to reopen the government. people go to congress and they have a sense of how you're going to interact wi...