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He has participated and trafficked in racism and bigotry and i think that's absolutely okay to say. in this instance, i believe this is different than anything else we're seeing. steve bannon, the president-elect new chief strategist in the white house, he has called his platform the platform of the alt-right. the platform of white supremacy. he has participated and trafficked in white nationalism. so, i think in this instance, it's absolutely okay. this isn't normal and this isn't something we've seen before. i really do believe this is different and incumbent upon donald trump. his allies an...

Rise, if you will, in these hate crimes and hate groups. they have not been specifically addressed. i want donald trump to specifically address the white supremacists. the hate crimes and these neo-nazis that we see out there. >> m.k., one thing we often laer hear in rebuttal, i see that to be a very cheap ploy to avoid this situation. what is your take on that? is that the ultimate test of whether or not trump does the right thing? whether or not he's a racist or bigot as long as he can say no i'm not and anything else he does or fails to do is okay? >> well, i'm with simone where i think a m...

Policy. you're going to call me racist. that card doesn't work any more. when you run into an instance where you might want more denunciation and i think there's actually a point there. i'm not sure donald trump did denounce further that it would do him all that much good. >> that's a valid point m.k. is making and you get a full credit for saying it back in the primary. i remember you saying it. >> i was making the point for myself, donald trump supporters and for you. >> i remember. you get full credit for that. a little of the boy who cried wolf kind of thing. you wind up taking away the po...

Him to, you know, connect with the women voters that have been aeu lee eve alien natured a hreurbgs enated. they are going to go up against president obama who one with the largest number of women voters ever recorded. it will be hard for them to switch from appealing the 12th man in the audience that has been rooting on this type of very combative, very callous, cold arguments he's making. bill: the polling shows that women have left barack obama's camp too which is causing some concern there at the white house. but to jemu's point m. k., does he need to be careful here? >> yeah i think he do...