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them. >> and they made this point on my program tonight, which i thought was taken about this role, it is one of the things that trump does very effectively, that he forces the issue. you're either pro trump or anti trump. you can't be in this liminal space of i'm a republican, and you are now a never trumper. kristie is freshly off of this, and has a space to try to make an argument to a certain set of voters for whom, for instance, liz cheney has already been fully converted into never trumper. you know what i mean? i think it is a tight window. being less republican than chris christie. >> but who is paying him to do that? when you think about chris christie for the next nine months. >> the only thing that matters if he goes to new hampshire and says anyone who thought about supporting, we think about supporting joe biden. really, honestly, it's not even about the republican party