-- thank you very much for joining us tonight both of you. representative gonzales, let me begin with you. that poll spread, where gavin newsom is at 53, and recalls at 43, i would look at that as a ten point spread, in any other election. but in this election i look at it as, he's just a few points above the threshold, where he can be removed. >> yes, the recall in california is just absurd. i'm hopeful after we're successful this time we can revisit. because clearly he will get far more votes than anyone else on that ballot. that's the first question we have to get through the threshold. do ...