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Ask you to, at least a willingness to 4 to 5% increase opposed to 7% increases. i would agree with david, it sounds as if the president's point was a strong point, ryan's point strong, a good starting point. if there's a willingness to come together around medicaid and medicare and agree to some growth numbers not as high as they are and not as low with ryan we're making progress. am i hearing this right or hearing it wrong? >> i think rear hearing it partially right. what the president emphasized yesterday incredibly important and dramatically different than the ryan republican plan, we need ...

Is -- you talk about silly season. this is silly season and mark halperin, this is underline by shocking information that came out last night from the cbo about this budget bill that was going to save $38 billion this year? it saved 1% of that. >> maybe. >> maybe 1% of that. they're still playing with numbers, these republicans and democrats. silly season. >> when the -- when the resolution, the economics of that playing into some of these new members of congress they may not be willing to vote for this package. the 218 votes is not in hand. in terms of the overall debate and the president's f...