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Stage, even if you adopt the fiorina rules, the top ten in policy after the first debate, just august and september follows, one or both of them might even be out. in a way, cnn is, in a certain sense, whittling the rest of the field for everyone. the question will be the rest of the cycle. will nibble, you know, have a kiddy table debate. will there be another happy hour debate? or will it just be these 11? if you're not in this group 11, are you no longer a serious political candidate? >> zeke miller, thanks for your time tonight. appreciate having you here. >> thanks for having me. >> i wil...

Political candidate? >> zeke miller, thanks for your time tonight. appreciate having you here. >> thanks for having me. >> i will say that last point zeke was making about guys like rand paul and chris christie and some of the other guys who are really scraping the bottom in the polling right now, cnn really did just, seemingly, change the rules to allow carly fiorina in. they're not saying, you can be in the top ten, we'll look at the polls differently so you can get in, they made it a top 11, conveniently sized to keep her. and it looks like they've basically just grandfathered in rand paul ...