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War could easily replicate the chaos we saw in syria from which isis was able to carve out its first caliphate. the u.s. does not have a presence in or around afghanistan. the bottom line, mike, is if the taliban can't stop attacks like this, if they can't pay government salaries, if they continue to subjugate people across the country, mainly so many women, they will not govern effectively. that leads towards chaos, towards the path of civil war. that is a major national security threat to the u.s. mike? mike: benjamin hall starting us off from london, thanks very much. ♪ ♪ mike: and here...

We don't necessarily agree that it is, that they're mutually exclusive. >> reporter: mike, a couple of things to watch over the next couple weeks, the debt limit ceiling. we'll see if the united states hits its limit. that happens on october 19th. also government funding, that runs out december 3rd if congress does not vote and agree, we're talking about agreeing to extend this funding for the government to stay open. mike? mike: david spunt live on the north lawn, thanks very much. for more on how the spending debate's playing out on capitol hill, we are joined on the phone by iowa republican...