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What became clear yesterday from our interview was trump is he's watching very closely. he believes that's what it is. but if mueller is going to step outside those lanes, that's what trump considered he called it a violation. and he said it was a red line. so if you're trump, you're closely watching mueller, seeing what he's doing but at the same time you see mueller hiring folks that trump thinks have expertise in areas that areout side of the russian meddling. he looks at mueller, he's concerned about muter. this is your obsession. >> kristen, he's attacking the attorney general, attacking ...

Th that's been in the law or been in government before, that if you have a conflict, if your integrity may be called into question in an investigation, there's only one thing to do, recuse yourself and yet donald trump sees that act of character as a disqualification. >> he sees it as weakness. he's been frustrated with sessions for some time. he thought he was weak. he thought that he recused himself, bowed to political pressure and put him in a jam. it's the trump definition of loyalty. in the minute that he felt he was disloyal, he did want him out. he's made it clear he's dissatisfied with...

Points mueller. so he's clearly frustrated by this. the interesting thing is what does this mean for? sessions will now have to go out and act as the attorney general knowing that the president basically doesn't want him there. >> and jim, you look at the came of rod rosenstein and more specifically the case of jeff sessions, here is a guy that donald trump and the entire trump campaign would tell you every day this is the greatest guy in the world, this is the smartest man we've ever met, they'd go on and on. but they don't -- obviously donald trump doesn't understand the concept of conflicts...