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Requires money and it requires attention from the officials, not just from covering graffiti . Is there an answer . Can you give me some sort of whats a good direction . [speaker not understood]. [speaker not understood]. Basically the task force, theyll put together and try to convince the citizens something is happening, then it will go away. Its no longer a political issue. What turned the corner for us, we had a mayor go out during one of our zero tolerance on blight mayor. She went out on a clean up day. The people from the Better Business bureau went with they are and started dragging he...

Presentation, we dont have those in the city of vancouver. We dont allow that. So, all murals have to go through a permit system. So, any building that wants to put something up, they have to get like a permit from the city. And if the city finds something that they dont like and it doesnt have a permit, theyll take it down and charge them on their taxes. So, thats i think a very key component to any ordinance that would be enacted in the city that you want to control the image making. This is not the art historian. This is like a civic administrator or urban planner. You want to control the i...

Neighbors where one had painted a sunflower on her garage and the other neighbor didnt like it. And the officer clearly made the distinction it was put on with permission. So, permission is considered in the decisionmaking process, but its not an overall factor. So, if the by law officer had determined that that was a nuisance, the Property Owner would have been forced to remove it, but in this situation made a determination that it wasnt a nuisance, that it was put on, it wasnt detracting from the neighborhood and it was allowed to remain. It gives the officers a lot of leeway. We are looking...

Unless its on someones property and they dont want it there. Judge kids with silver paint expressing their ego needs doesnt belong on our property. Graffiti is when you dont have permission to write anything on their property. Eighth street is part of your regular rout . Yes. Everyday. Eighth street. Divisidero street. Irving street. Every block they going through they paint 3 or 4 streets in the block the poles the utility boxes, mailbox. Thank you. Okay. Put the drop cloth. Come on around. There you go. Force for we have to remember we are not painters we abate graffiti. We are abaters not p...

So, you really act as a good communicator and facilitator in the program from a Law Enforcement background. And the grant we get through public works really allows us to run effectively. Great, thank you. [speaker not understood]. Let me come on over here. Whats your question . Okay. [speaker not understood]. Ive gotten three years of knowledge [speaker not understood]. My question is this. How am i going to get the police department, how am i going to get city council theyre partially on board, but some of our people in public works are here today. How can i convey to them that im not a nut e...