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So they had some bigger plan in mind. and this has been in the works for a while. now, i'm not saying they're associated or affiliated with al qaeda, but we've seen a lot of self-radicalization, and with the boston marathon bomber used this whole technique, the "inspire" magazine. this is all the circumstantial evidence we have right now. workplace violence, terrorism. i would not lean towards workplace violence other than the catalyst. >> well, it seems we've moved past that. as you say, it may have been an incent yary moment for the guy, maybe a deeper thing that led him to the planning. it'...

Because justice is not violent. as a consequence, we've got to call for immediate calm, and for those who are perpetway or thes of it that they will scale all the way back down. there shouldn't have even been a protest today because we were honoring the family's request. >> we've seen this -- this is the umpteenth time we've seen a video, the revisitation of racial relations in this country. renewed scrutiny over policing techniques. and now folks taking to the street. i guess i wonder when you look at the footage we're showing, is this time different? >> you know i'm not sure that it is. cert...

It kind of ridiculous almost that like biking while black of it all i think that most distressing thing for me is knowing that this police chief had been at the -- because you and i have talked multiple times about the idea that this white house, this report coming out from d.o.j. after ferguson and now new policing techniques and i go oh but if the people who were there are doing these practices at home i'm looking for something to hold on to. >> they listened to 130 experts -- i think you're right. there's opportunities to do that. the problem comes when bicycle stops are for the safety of

Biggest challenge may be a department trying to police itself. and, wolf i have been talking to some of the community leaders here and one of the things that they are expressing some hope for amidst this tragic event is the idea that perhaps the death of freddie gray can prompt a discussion and some serious change when it comes to the kinds of policing techniques used here in baltimore. wolf? >> you've been there in baltimore, jake all day. what is your sense on how the community is basically dealing with all of this? >> well people are very angry, wolf. and upset, and you know it's been ten d...

The police department in new york. he stopped stop and frisk to a great extent, and so now the reform is beginning with $35 million refraining. >> the policy over the past 20 years reduced crime. day two is smart policing techniques. three is physical tactics training where they encourage the officers to use curse words. >> clearly the issue is really making tempers flair in new york city and you hear it from bo deedle. de blasio is not a fool. he may disagree with him, but he's not a fool. >> what do you think? let us know facebook, twitter, e-mail. >> coming up, the white house refused to ca...