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Border patrol deterrence policy. deterrence policies are proven to result in more people crossing illegally, trying to find new ways a wall or a approximately see wall like is erected by the the yuma sector n arizona is seeing an increase in the amount of people crossing illegally. i wouldn't be surprise today see more people getting hurt or dying while they try to cross because this they decide to not declare asylum. now this additional policy barrier has been erected with the zero tolerance policy. >> you mentioned something we don't talk about enough. we'll talk about it another time, it's ...

Saying this. this is the first attack of a major nature in which a cyber attack was used to effect physical destruction. don't you at least indirectly confirm the leak? >> i was quite clear. it is accepted and puck lic puc knowledge that it happened. whoever did it crossed a policy barrier made a decision that in a time of peace one could use a cyber weapon to effect physical destruction on what another nation could only describe as their own critical infrastructure. >> chris: but you this no way confirmed that the u.s. was involved. >> not at all. >> chris: as discuss with david plouffe, some...

Saying this. this is the first attack of a major nature in which a cyber attack was used to effect physical destruction. don't you at least indirectly confirm the leak? >> i was quite clear. it is accepted and puck lic puc knowledge that it happened. whoever did it crossed a policy barrier made a decision that in a time of peace one could use a cyber weapon to effect physical destruction on what another nation could only describe as their own critical infrastructure. >> chris: but you this no way confirmed that the u.s. was involved. >> not at all. >> chris: as discuss with david plouffe, some...