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Ones i've found that are very within a couple of points, thinking that a couple of points could be pushed over to his side, to his candidates and save -- in fact, build him a large majority in the senate. this is all campaign talk. it's all about -- it's not about border or anything else. it's about this election. and winning where he wants to win. >> i agree that there's a political -- >> is that right? >> well, i agree. >> what's the policy calculus to this? >> well, the political calculus to this, if there even is one, is to twist those senate democrat red state candidates. for me, if i'm r...

About ten times the trade that the u.s. has with russia. he understands the dependencies there. he also understands that russia can bite back. his aides, his foreign minister and others, have made very clear that not only will there be tit for tat measures, listing of u.s. legislate tors and others, they can take simpler measures against western businesses and banks. we've seen them use tax investigations to harass. they can do things a bit more nefarious in the economic realm. i think he's calculated not only is the west probably cowed in going too far in the measures, but that russian bite b...