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>> bill: what he said is we're going to get the bad people out and suggested president obama deported a lot of people, too. that is factually true. what did you think about just to pick up on his comment there about the messaging and perhaps he's to blame? >> i'm a communicator. i feel like whenever things go badly the communicators are the first ones to get blamed. it's not a communications per se. they didn't have the legal argument. it wasn't a public relations problem. so now tonight if they're gonna issue new executive orders, he needs to make a policy case for why this will make the coun...

Creation of isis. all right. that is not an overstatement. he can argue that hillary clinton's state department didn't diplomatically engage iraq and didn't diplomatically engage iraq to renegotiate the status of power and instead hands off let the country to politically crumble and that created more of a power vacuum for isis to take control. that is a real argument. in two debates and many times when it was brought up didn't have time to make the policy case that they really did have a role to play here. >> his sounds better. >> it sounds worse because the crowd loves it, but as an american ...

Mom's lives. those people at the center of this debate making their case. joining us now is jose antonio vargas, he lived in the u.s. since he was 12. he didn't know he was here without documentation until he tried to get his driver's license. he's travelled the country talking about immigration reform. it's nice to see you. >> thank you for having me. >> you as a reporter and as somebody who's just a generally articulate guy, you've been able to make the policy case from the beginning, but you made this decision personally to try to tell your personal story as a way of making the case. why do...

Fighting for a change in the law that will change their own lives today. and that will change their children's lives definitely. and maybe even change their mom's lives. those people at the center of this debate making their case. joining us now is jose antonio vargas. he has lived here in the united states since he was 12. he didn't know he was here without documentation until he tried to get his driver's license. he's travelled the country talking about immigration reform. it's nice to see you. >> thank you for having me. >> you as a reporter and as somebody who's just a generally articulate...

Mom's lives. those people at the center of this debate making their case. joining us now is jose antonio vargas, he lived in the u.s. since he was 12. he didn't know he was here without documentation until he tried to get his driver's license. he's travelled the country talking about immigration reform. it's nice to see you. >> thank you for having me. >> you as a reporter and as somebody who's just a generally articulate guy, you've been able to make the policy case from the beginning, but you made this decision personally to try to tell your personal story as a way of making the case. why do...