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Change there and oversold the influence i think the american government has in a transition like that. >> you know, one of the lessons we've learned, right about u.s. military intervention is your intentions matter less than what actually happens, right? it's the same as diplomacy. it's so clear the president is palpably desperate for a big deal now, but there's none of the stuff in the process to produce the actual diplomatic breakthroughs. >> i think he's thirsty for a huge agreement with iran. he's blowing up the cellphone of the iranian president trying to get a meeting. but if you don't h...

Get meeting. but if you don't have the leverage, if you don't have policy coherence, a basic confident strategy, if you can't get out of your own way to make a deal like that as we saw this week in afghanistan, then you're really sunk and you're left with this kind of policy adrift of half finished deals and pandemonium. how much does it matter whether it's a success or who the successor is here? >> i think donald trump is going to have a very hard time finding a successor, someone who will willingly raise his or her hand to take a job that has seen the three incumbents disgraced. one is in fe...

This is how president trump is, not necessarily attacking the mayor, but this is how candidate trump ran, no apologies. he's talking about action. should anyone be surprised? >> no, we shouldn't be surprised, but we should be disappointed because we should expect more than that from the president of the united states. he is no longer a candidate. he is actually the president. you can't just be a campaigner all the time. and there's no policy coherence from this administration. not only is the president contradicting sean spicer's comments on january 31st, saying this is not a travel ban, he's ...

Who is going to prevail? >> it's very fair to say that. who will prevail, jared kushner is in a certain position. he is family. president trump made a real effort to bring him and ivanka trump to the white house. historically he has turned again to ivanka trump and to jared essentially to have his back. >> what's steve bannon thinking. if he can't win this battle, why fight with jared? >> steve bannon very much came in during the summer and looked to the campaign that didn't have a lot of in electial architecture, policy coherence. the reality is that he sort of read what president trump's ins...

Imposed financial sanctions that crippled north korea. we need to interdict north korean shipping because they are going to sell this missile to iran. an embargo is not out of the question. they are a year, maybe 18 months from being able to wipe out an american city at will. we don't have a missile defense system that is reliable that can stop this. jon: you really think that would be in the cards, that they would make that kind of threat? >> they would make the threat, i don't think they'd actually try to carry it out. at this point they have an unstable regime, a lot of moving parts at the ...