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Consistency and if that is hollowed out, that will have broader consequences for u.s. national security policy. >> we're also told john that bolton was reluctant to go on television and strongly defend the president's policies because he strongly disagreed and that the president was irritated with him. >> part of the job, national security advisers don't like to go on television, they like to be behind the scene, but on an issue like this, afghanistan policy and peace talks for him not to want to go, there's significant sign that not only was he reluctant to be out in front, but maybe he had r...

Policy difference. so i did push him on this question. when are you going to push him on this issue? when he says to me it won't be forever, i'm assuming that means that sometimes before november 3rd, 2020, he'll give you a fuller understanding of the president. >> he says to you that that's why his letter of resignation is in the book. you had no choice but to leave, that's why the letter is in the book. i've been informed by four decades of experience and i couldn't connect the dots anymore. you were reporting from talking to others, is in that final meeting where he went to the president, w...

You suggest they might, and thinking about joe biden. isn't that a dream scenario? he could say they are both naiive. neither can beat trump. if he treats the two of them as one is that helpful for them? >> i don't. i think he will have to take on the substance of the ideas. they have big, bold, progressive ideas that take the central challenges that the country faces. you might not agree with the prescriptions. you have to say they are taking on the central challenges on education, health care and on the economy. i think that gives their candidacies power. i would not worry about that at all....

Such a -- it was such a problem for him that he didn't respond to the attack effectively in miami that that is probably first and foremost on his to-do list. >> here's another policy difference and that is on health care and medicare for all. so former vp biden talked about we thinks of the medicare for all. listen to this. >> you've got to find 30 $30 to hotrillion somewhere, and how are you going to do it? i find people who say medicare for all because there's no need to do that -- come on? is this a fantasy world here? >> fantasy world. >> fantasy world. and listen kamala harris for the las...

It's kind of counterintuitive i more likely to come from bernie than elizabeth even though he is ahead in the polls. his momentum is slowing while hers is gather steam. that's one of the ducommuns dynamic from the debate we saw the two men drop down and the two women in six to third rocket up. >> many say bernie sanders is the same as in 2016. i want to bring in the mayor. you say bernie sanders has never been reluctant to go after anyone. >> well, no, i mean, when folks play tennis they might be friends but you are taking the shot. you are trying to win. and so i'm not saying anybody is putti...