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I mean, you know, the policy difference seems to be behind closed doors, but who does he favor, do you think? who does that favor? >> i think that you see a little bit of sean sort of trying to issue a warning, channel dronal trump drand say this has gone t public for me. i don't know who he favors. i think i return to nia's point which is it's very hard. everyone i talk to who, you know, deals with donald trump says sometime it's the last person that he deals with. it's the last thing that he sees on television. i think it's important to remember, this is a guy who started from a base of almo...

Do you get a sense that any of this is actually legit? >> yes. >> you do. >> most definitely. >> okay. >> we understand -- we understand the president was not happy at all with finding out about bannon being in the national security council and he's not happy with the "snl" skits with bannon being the de facto president. so there's a lot going on. it's more than just policy. it's also perception, too. >> okay. chris, i want to get you in here because this is a white house press secretary -- this is a white house press secretary sean spicer today about the president, what he thinks of the white...

I don't think it should come as any surprise that there are people that burrowed into government during eight years of the last administration and may have believed in that agenda and want to continue it to seek it. >> eric: and join us now to analyze from california, ric grenell, ambassador for the spokesperson to the u.n., and from washington, former state department official, david tafuri. we know there are a lot of hangovers in the trump administration, but is it a concerted conspiracy effort? >> look, whatever you want tod call it, a deep state, the media try to make this mocking term,e t...

The agenda of the previous administration. i don't think it should come as any surprise that there are people that burrowed into government during eight years of the last administration and may have believed in that agenda wanted to continue it. >> eric: and join us now to analyze from paul springs, california, root canal, from ambassador for the spokesperson to the u.n., and from washington, former state department official, david tafuri. we know there are a lot of hangovers in the trump administration, but is it a concerted concert remix conspiracy effort? >> book, whatever you want to call ...

Our border right now. >> the national park, one of the beautiful parts of america. you don't need a wall there, it is so hard to get through because of the mountains and rivers and everything. it will be a wall where you needed. is that the vision? >> that is exactly right. what the secretary understands as it is called "a layering of assets." boots on the ground, detectors on the ground, boats in the water, several layers of air technology, plus, the fencing used strategically, all combined will finally secure our border. also, remembering, it is just a policy difference from of the obama adm...