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But has biden changed his view of whether it matters that he calls a spade a spade, for example? >> i mean, my view as a former policy maker who worked with president biden when he was vice president, he's doing what a political leader does, you call it what it is and let the lawyers argue whether it's legal or not. he's leading the international community right now by coming out and saying exactly what vladimir putin is doing. >> biden speaks from the heart and when he says putin has to go, there's a tangible consequence, do the russians see everything we're doing as regime change. genocide i...

Bit about what admiral was talking about, as nato acts as one, and not in this particular case, russia is assuming they're going to active one -- but not the moment. there's a bit of a difference. some of it is coming from germany, who seems to have concerns about taking to heart of a line on this. >> i'm not sure that's entirely correct. first off, thank you for having me on. from when i can see, i think i've been watching this fairly closely, the german policy maker, implementers, in the machine room, have been working very closely with the administration for months designing a whole array. ...

>> yeah, i think smart people on both sides of this debate make some sense, and this is one of those times when i'm really glad i'm not a policy maker having to make these decisions. i tend to personally fall down on the weight because i think if you go and take it totally out of the possibility, it shows putin, like, why not just go ahead and do it since i'm not going to get that anyway? i have a lot of smart friends that feel passionately on the other side, and i like arguing about these things over beer instead of over the policy-making table. i really can't say anymore than that. >> beth, ...

Nominated to and confirmed by the supreme court was nominated, to court, did you celebrate that as a historic event? >> i'm trying to remember where i was at the time. i believe i did, yes. >> when we're talking about staying in your lane, and i appreciate your responses to a number of the questions, even though i'd love to get yourancer to the question. but where you deferred answering saying you want to stay in your lane and not be seen as a policy maker. would you agree with me that one of the most important questions under our constitutional form of government and the separation of powers ...

Because it was raised multiple times, primarily by the senator from missouri, and it was -- he was questioning your sentencing record in child pornography cases that do not involve the production of pornographic material. they're known as nonproduction cases. i wanted to put some context here. the senator from missouri has, in his tweets, said of your position on this issue, judge jackson has a pattern of letting child porn offenders off the hook for their appalling crimes, both as a judge and a policy maker. she's been advocating it since law school. this goes beyond soft on crime, the senato...