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But as covid as we're dealing with it now is not here to stay. the new normal doesn't have to be. we have so many more tools we're developing and continue to develop. that can contain covid and other strains of covid. >> now, amid the latest surge, some of president biden's formformer e advisors are urging a shift. i think they pursued a vaccine approach. you can pay for it with prevention as we've outlined or on the back end, which is the american way. the best way, i guess, p.k., i would start with you. you talk to democrats about this moment in terms of the pandemic and they've got trustfru...

Well and then you say the problem is messaging, that's no rooted in reality. why they do they believe that? or do they? >> it gets back to your first point, i'm really not concerned about where he is more concerne with what he's doing great it doesn't matter to me where he does it because he's not doing it right orwell. the issue is when everything is going against you, white house staff has to resort to somethin typically it means there is a communications problem. if it's not a communications problem, it's a substance problem, a policy problem or it's a personnel problem. it's the man in cha...

Protective as we all hope to special the mrna vaccine. but you cannot blame them for that. >> i would agree with that. they were in the situation when they took office they were achieving 1 million vaccinations per day in the united states for that railroad train was built and executed fairly well. we got a lot of the country vaccinated. but since then the administration has been criticized heavily for a messaging problem. i do not believe the cdc or the administration has a messaging problem. i believe they had a bad policy problem. they have ignored natural immunity. but we're short supply o...

Wants to pass through in chunks that are the kind of spending that we don't need right now. >> this is a work-around because, obviously, people realize that this package is a lot of unnecessary spending. and no one wants that. you can't get bipartisan support, and you can't even get support from within your own party. if so you know it's in trouble. and, look, here's what -- here's the issue i have with what the administration is doing. inflation has become a policy problem. so you have to address it by changing your policies. what the administration is doing right now, they are punting to the...

Seems to think that they have a messaging problem when it comes to inflation. looking for the right combination of words. they have a policy problem. they're not reaching nor the tools available for them to lowter prices. >> that's what frustrates me. every time president biden speaks, he starts off by bragging and then insulting the public. there were six billion out of supply stocks. at christmas. prices are going through the proof. the president declared war on fossil fuels and they say suck it up because we want to be clean energy leaders 20, 30 years down the road. so again, this is not a...