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Endless wars it can't win. the end of combat operations in afghanistan passed without much fanfare. the americans are celebrating the holidays as the war against isis continues with daily air strikes and roughly 2,000 noncombat troops in iraq see the fighting edging ever closer. joining me is the correspondent for "the atlantic," james fallows. and jonathan landay thank you for joining us. you argue the growing divide between those overs seas and civilians back home has policy ramifications. you quote mike mullen as saying fewer and fewer people know anyone in the military. it's become too eas...

Completely different plan. >> you're just using scare tactics. you're gist giving republican talking points for no good reason. >> i'm sorry. i was trying to address the policy ramifications for medicare, for medicare advantage for other programs that other people are involved with. we talk about the seniors but the way this thing is implement over the next 18 months or so, it will be expensive for average people. they're doing the kitchen table math. and then when we start doing actuarial math, what it will take to support this program, if it ever gets stood up, it will break the bank and tha...

Again, this is a long-term play. there's a lot of misinformation out there. like terry doing what he just did before, screaming about seniors and about to get hurt, which is just silly. >> you don't think seniors are going to have huge changes in their plans? >> no. >> seniors are covered under a completely different plan. >> i would submit some of the changes, fundamental change. >> you're giving republican talking points tactics for no good reason. >> i'm sorry. i was trying to address the policy ramifications for medicare, for medicare advantage, for other programs that other people are inv...

Than charitable to them. this has everything to do with them, this is why they're on capitol hill. >> ari, you saw them sunday with scott pelley on "60 minutes." these are smart people that lived through a hell that they're still living through. >> right. and they're living through the policy ramifications of a strangle hold on any measures to deal with gun safety in this country, not to blame any individual member of congress, it is a complex equation of how things get done or not done, but it is incredibly frustrating, and outrageous, to hear members say somehow they should be legislating in...

Shot, that wasn't enough to move congress to do something real and substantive. the tragedy these families faced was so unimaginable, any parent, grandparent, i don't understand how you could say anything less than charitable to them. this has everything to do with them, this is why they're on capitol hill. >> ari, you saw them sunday with scott pelley on "60 minutes." these are smart people that lived through a hell that they're still living through. >> right. and they're living through the policy ramifications of a strangle hold on any measures to deal with gun safety in this country, not to...