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Run. >> i think it's tough in the primary. no doubt about it. >> chuck, do you think this is jeb bush being self-critical and self-aware what it means it carry the bush name even though he comes into it with a completely different skill set, a policy set from florida that is uniquely his own? >> well, look. i'm with joe, though. i think this is the irony is that his last name is a bigger problem in a primary than in a general. that is going to be, i think, the hardest obstacle for jeb to get over in his head. i mean, i've talked to a lot of people who say jeb is very serious this time. this is...

Continuing and imminent threat to the american people. and when there are no other governments capable of effectively addressing the threat. and before any strike is taken, there must be near certainty that no civilians will be killed or injured. the highest standard we can set. >> so the president's there defending the drone program, however narrowing its focus. but ultimately is there any substantive change? >> yeah, i think there are substantive changes here. i mean, he has narrowed the criteria so that there are -- so that the level of precision is supposed to be higher going forward. and ...

>> but you can't equate all those things, bob. >> yeah, you can. >> you can't say it's okay to tell the president to tell the attorney general in a criminal matter what are you doing? >> but there is a policy issue here, do you issue this broad-based subpoena on reporters? >> butt president can't interfere with that. >> but you need to have a policy set down and there is proper communication between the attorney general and the white house counsel on matters like this. >> is he president or not? ultimately these are executive agencies which are proving so deeply problematic. >> you cannot mean...

Involved. oh, there is an investigation of benghazi so we're not responsible. the president and the executive branch need to govern on a daily basis, and you can't purchase immunity from governing. >> but you can't equate all those things, bob. >> yeah, you can. >> no. you can't say that it's okay to tell the president, to tete the attorney general in a criminal matter, what are you doing? >> but there is a policy issue here, do you issue this broad-based subpoena on reporters? >> but the president can't interfere with that. >> but you need to have a policy set down and there is proper communi...

Make some hay out of the pace of recovery. but what the president has going for him is the momentum is going in the right direction and the distinction between his policy set and that of the romney campaign basically the trickle down, deregulatory supply side stuff that got us into this mess, that's actually a compelling story that people remember. >> well, but i think you're hitting on a really good point, which is setting aside his record from the past, what does the future look like under a second term president obama administration and there is some real cry, we are going into his big spee...