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A little bit of this cgetting ot of hand? you really needed a study to -- >> a federal study. >> of american taxpayers and put it towards that? >> no, the point ises that you're upset about studies. any kind of study that is science that goes to human behavior, because the conservatives, they actually all believe the same anyway. you all believe that gay marriage, you know, is bad, guns are good, so, why spend money on any science? >> so, what's the scientific application in policy terms of that study on the freshman 15? >> ah, i don't know, considering that i put on my own 15 and lost it. >> ...

T this is advancement of two women in the lead advocates for libya, two women that are in policy terms not far from republican contradiction. it is a fascinating decisive move by the president liberated by a second term, not worried about burning bridges with republicans and congress who are already his critics. >> i guess the larger question, you can't remove politic, right, you just can't. i mean, why aggravate an already tense situation with republicans? we're going to suffer through years of this until the next presidenttial election, doesn't this make it worse? >> reporter: it might make ...

Or urban/rural? >> i think a lot of it is urban/rural. but we should be talking about policy terms. the reason we're at a debate that 90% of americans can agree on is more of the ambitious policy proposals that 30% of americans had agreed on or 60%, are off the table. we're no longer talking about something like the assault weapons back from '94. we're no longer talking about real restrictions on magazines. what we're talking about democrats and liberals were saying a few years ago, is closing the gun show loophole. that's not to say there's not a real public health impact. by making sure that...

Curve where liberals need to couch their arguments this way. that in fact, the kind of thinking that joe biden is trying to advance in policy terms is majority thinking. >> that is right, i mean, most of us don't own guns. most of us don't live in rural areas. you know, most of us don't even go to religious services on a weekly basis. this cartoon picture of the liberal is actually the mainstream. and this cartoon picture of the gun owner is now in the minority. >> and richard, that is -- the challenge for joe biden is he is trying to find the language that unlocks votes on the other side of t...

Watching too many movies. in either location this is not a realistic option. he is in a more populated area, even in delaware than he is suggesting. is this a realistic policy? no, he is engaging in a classic piece of exaggerating, for joe biden. but it can still work in politics, he is talking about protecting home and family. it is just ludicrous to imagine the vice president's wife is going to do this some? >> in your piece, it is called "how liberals became real americans," you made the point that we're past the spot in the curve where liberals need to couch their arguments this way. that ...