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>> look, i -- as a conservative, policy-wise, those are the things that excite me. getting conservative policies. when you can't govern you remember self and so divided, i'm not sure it matters. i think if -- imagine if he's back on twitter. every day it's a new fight. trying to unify a country when we're facing china, russia, iran with a nuclear program and more interested with fighting the other political party than actually defending american interest, it only gets worse. honestly people's faith in democracy erodes. when you lose faith, no matter what you do, democracy fails. that's the bas...

That did happen. i can't wrap my mind around the fact that only two republicans -- there were no other republicans who had the dignity and decency to pay respect to those who lost their lives. when those insurrectionists called for the death of mike paths, and other colleagues of ted cruz. it really did remind me, honestly jonathan, of donald trump refusing to attend the noggin ration. we're in a dangerous position, where the republican party, is not just the party of no, but willing to erode our of all institutional norms. to uphold a more and more growing fascist ideology, which is really wo...

Inequality that we see amongst black americans when we compare them to whites. can we get just a drop of hope in 2021? how do we bridge this divide when we know that there's not just a 400 year, but policy-wise, a 100 year head start that so many white americans have based on everything from policies in america, from education, to housing, to the environment, to public health, to health care? the list goes on and on. >> it's a great point about the unholy alliance that fdr and the democrats had in the 1930s and until the '60s, really, with southern segregationist democrats, and it was historic...

Policy wise, but obviously, when it comes to white supremacy, and insurrectionists. >> right. juanita, i want to have you listen to what a former aide to congressman kevin mccarthy said yesterday. >> his leadership strategy d is dictated by the extreme wings of the party. so, when marjorie taylor greene, or matt gates put their thumb on the scale, that's when he responds to. that derives the -- into the arms of donald trump. the leadership that enables our behavior is continuing today, as we see. >> juanita, is there any room in the republican party for anyone who can truly challenge trumpism,...

Domestically but foreign policy-wise. this is the second time on u.s. soil. >> martha: it's interesting what james carville said. he said democrats were to whiney and you have to focus on the stuff that you achieve. then i hear this plan to change his posture from being a legislator and former senator because that hasn't gone well in three efforts to go up on capitol hill and wrangle his own party to his side on major ledge lakes, the bbb and this voting reform. it's failed. so there's no doubt, no surprise i should say, bret, that they want to go we're not doing that anymore. >> bret: well, i...