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Election. this is not a moral stand they're taking. the ones in power are saying don't worry about it. this is no big deal. it happens all the time. the american people are sick of hearing it happens all the time, while the deficits have been quadrupled in the past year. they have had it with the arrogance of government. they'll speak and the ethics committee can do what it wants but the ultimate ethic committee are the american people. >> this morning, speaker pelosi said she was out of the loop on the rangel stuff. >> look, if i can just say for all the outrage that kate was talking about, i...

>> andrew, thank you so much for sharing your poll data. i think thank you, for telling us just how bad things are out there. and tragedy remembered 15 years later as political leaders joined in oklahoma city. ron mott is in oklahoma city. kelly o'donnell covered the timothy mcveigh trial. ron, first to you. let's talk about what's happening with secretary napolitano and the others at that ceremony today. >> good afternoon. just building on this conversation you had about the distrust that americans have. obviously, there was some disdain for the u.s. government that led to this tragedy, but...

Mccain won? >> if the kind of spending we've seen in the last year and a half were the case, absolutely. but i don't think that's likely to have been the case. what's happened, chris, is that the overspending has accelerated, not that it simply existed back in the bush years. of course it did. but then it's gotten worse. that's where it's started. now it's expanded. >> part of the problem, sir, and you know as well as i do, we all studied economics, this president we have now was hit with what could have been a second great depression, and he used canesian tools to deal with it. he could have ...

Policies? >> if the kind of spending that we've seen in the last year and a half were the case, absolutely. but i don't think that's likely to have been the case. what's happened, chris, is that the overspending has accelerated. not simply that it existed back in the bush years, of course it did. but then it got worse. so that's where it started, now it's expanded. >> well part of the problem, sir, and you know as well as i do, we all study kensyn economics. this president was hit by a -- what could have been a second great depression, that's just my argument. we could have been in worse shape...

Had won, continuing the bush policies? >> if the kind of spending that we've seen in the last year and a half were the case, absolutely. but i don't think that's likely to have been the case. what's happened, chris, is that the overspending has accelerated. not simply that it existed back in the bush years, of course it did. but then it got worse. so that's where it started, now it's expanded. >> well part of the problem, sir, and you know as well as i do, we all study kensyn economics. this president was hit by a depression, that's just my argument. i accept yours, you were very well spoken t...