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Rather than -- >> he's not denying that some of the things happened, and he apologized and said a poll jooiz to those women. >> right. >> but i don't think he understands how problematic they are. and i think he's probably not the only man out there. and i think this is one of these things that we care a lot of times and it happens when something racist happens, it happens when sexual harassment happens. we hear a lot about intent. right? and intent matters in the way that intent matters for punishment. intent might make the person more merciful if you didn't intend to do something. but intent...

State-sponsored, state-enforced discrimination. and when the state says to gay and lesbian couples you're not good enough for marriage, you have to be settled for a domestic partnership, that is straight out discrimination. and the judge found that it harmed gay, it harmed lesbian couples, it harmed their children, and it had no benefit. >> knows are attorneys david boies and ted olson at a rally in west hollywood. poll jooiz for the background noise. so what happens next? we'll hear from both sides of the marriage debate, evan wolfeson and maggie gallagher ahead. as always you can let you kno...