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It was close enough to make the ford people's fingernails sweat. gerald ford got the nomination. >> when ford was nominated, reagan's supporters staged a demonstration on the convention floor. and it went on and on and on and on. >> by the end of that convention, it's clear that gerald ford may be the nominee, ronald reagan won the hearts and mind of conservatives. >> reagan did great damage to ford. look at the poll number. you will see jimmy carter starts surging. over 30 points ahead of gerald ford. ford had a weak position in the national race. so he challenged jimmy carter to a debate. >>...

Donald trump tells the truth. >> 62% of americans which i guess -- i don't know if this poll number, i don't know how low has numbers have gone. 62% think he's lying about the russian probe. >> that's up from about -- it was 6% lower at around 57% in august. so that shows you these last six months and the events that are happening. this poll was taken the first week of december. they're having an effect. even though the base may be there, 44% or so say that they'd still vote for donald trump again, the fact that people are really starting to believe that he is a liar as the cumulative effect o...

Everyone else -- this is a fascinating poll. we are looking ahead to a potentially huge field of candidates and folks getting in as early as next month. we are seeing joe biden breaking through here. he has huge name recognition, but is it his experience and the perception that he has a steady hand driving that high poll number? >> it's likely a couple of things. this is not joe biden's first rodeo. he is well-known in iowa. he has been the candidate here twice before. he considered a run even more times than that. he is someone that iowans know and feel comfortable with. i think in this era i...

Testing, that's different than it being unfair. i appreciate you coming on the show. >> no, that's not true, it's not unfair. go look at your own cnn polling. >> i'll look at it, 6 out of 10 say this is a serious matter that must be investigated. >> yeah, that's one poll number. they also say the economy is most important to them and health care. >> of course they are. that's why they voted democrat so heavily, because of what happened to health care. >> some of them didn't, what happened in the senate. no, no, no, i get the last word because i'm your guest. >> go ahead, take it. >> the four s...

Say this is a serious matter that must be investigated. >> yeah, that's one poll number. they also say the economy is most important to them and health care. >> of course they are. that's why they voted democrat so heavily, because of what happened to health care. >> some of them didn't, what happened in the senate. no, no, no, i get the last word because i'm your guest. >> go ahead, take it. >> the four senators who voted against brett kavanaugh all lost in indiana, north dakota, minnesota and florida. bill nelson lost this time. >> pretty close race. >> and the democratic senator -- pretty c...