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Riding rough shod over vulnerable populations. think about police dogs ripping at the flesh of black people. think about jelly bean tests, think about poll tests, think about literacy tests. all of these were deployed to try to prevent black people from exercising their vote and leverage at the polls. and so, i -- there's a striking similarity and a dangerous one, between what went on in the '50s and '60s in this country and what's going on today in the name of expanded democracy and attacks against voter fraud. >> it is true, though, that there is a problem with trust in the system among repu...

>> let me put your point to the secretary. do you think some of these ideas like the gun back ground idea that came up today, are these voter suppression ideas? >> they are. i couldn't agree with the professor more. we're already seeing a negative impact of this commission on voter registration rolls across the country. people removing their name from the voter registration roll because they didn't want their personal information, social security up in, voting history, residing under donald trump west need to be meefg forward. not backward. the days of poll tests, owning property, back ground ...

Where everybody is talking and where we're actually trying to solve problems. that would be my objective, if i decide to do this. >> joining me now is "new york magazine's" jonathan shate. i'm sure this poll tests well but is that not sort of a retread of obama's there is no red america, blue america, there's just america? >> when president obama was making these kinds of lofty promises, she was ridiculing him as naive. >> correct. >> but now he's recapitulating the same promise. this is what people want to hear. >> this is what people want to hear and it makes sort of choosing what part of th...

Like poll tests? are they making -- what else are they asking them to do other than have a picture i.d. at the polling booth. >> the texas law is restrictive as far as what types of federal i.d.s you can use. and the administration with these laws is saying that states shouldn't rush to try to take advantage of that supreme court decision that they -- >> not cross examining you here, i've been reading this and the new stories on it and makes it sound like we're going back to jim crow laws, there are going to be white people with bull whips whipping black people if they come to vote and bull co...

Nothing -- >> it's so different from the vermont legislature where the committee would be in the same room at the same time and over time you build up trust and have confidence that the person you were talking to wanted to make vermont a better place. in washington, it's all talking points and poll tests. we don't sit together in a committee room, the folks have an agenda. the contraception issue of all men talking about women's issues. the inability to have adult conversation about issues that are tough and to have a certain amount of mutual respect and trust debating prisons or legalization,...