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One-half of the quid pro quo. we don't know whether they're talking about the other half of the quid pro quo which is giving the polling information to allow the russians to interfere. if this gets -- his lying about this suggest that is there's something very serious that's being covered up. that's what we saw in watergate, cover-up. why were they covering up, criminality. what's been covered up here? we don't know. but my hunch is criminality and very serious. i think the only way to explain manafort's behavior is he's expecting a pardon. >> i want to follow up with you first, joyce, which i...

This point. paul manafort campaign chair leaves campaign headquarters and goes to a cigar bar with one of his lieutenants in that campaign. rick gates, to meet with a russian national. they left campaign headquarters in the midst of this very busy period. and what happens? this is so important and why the judge's ruling today may be terribly significant. what from what we can glean from the transcripts, we know there were discussions of two things. one was provision of some polling data from the trump campaign to this russian, said to be tied to russian intelligence. what would that be? pollin...

They getting in return, sanctions relief. one of the things we know that they're talking about is one-half of the quid pro quo. we don't know whether they're talking about the other half of the quid pro quo which is giving the polling information to allow the russians to interfere. if this gets -- his lying about this suggest that is there's something very serious that's being covered up. that's what we saw in watergate, cover-up. why were they covering up, criminality. what's been covered up here? we don't know. but my hunch is criminality and very serious. i think the only way to explain man...

Standpoint, this meeting at the cigar bar is super important because, one, you've got manafort providing kilimnik, the russian intelligence operative, with very special polling information. it's not just 10% for clinton and 20% for trump. this is really granular information that goes to very specific geographic areas. so if you want to micro target, this is the kind of information these russian operatives needed. with respect to the whole business at the break-in at the democratic national committee, they were talking about this so-called ukrainian peace plan, which is a euphemism for dropping...

It was to brief him on polling information. maybe it is not illegal. maybe it was a courtesy. trying to have it for his future clients or maybe it was, you know, cliekind of collusion. i don't flow. >> wlapts hat happens to democr they say we couldn't find any evidence of conspiracy? the ie tectems we found here an there. >> i feel it's more like tentacles. it started as one thing and lead to other investigations so we have man fort which lead to