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With the administration this week. the interior secretary calling her up and threatening her. so the senate is harder to threaten than the house. senators are harder to sort of politically cajole if you're the white house. the house are on the ballot all the time. but the senators who have been around a little bit, they're much harder to push around. >> this is a huge loss for republicans, a huge win for democrats, as i'm sure you will agree as you've been sitting by, watching this unfold. >> the way that i see it, is for many people out there, millions of people who were on health care, this ...

For dismantling obama care and nothing else so far as we know. i think it's an important thing for him to do here. so he doesn't sound like he's just making an excuse. >> he's got to say he's trying. >> he had that chance at the press conference last week when i think he was overly contrite. and he didn't set up this dynamic of here's what we're doing. i don't want to be poly annish about this, but what's gone right with obama care and the millions of people who are now getting health care and getting breaks on the prescription drugs, the elderly, and say this is what they want to take away. i...

Anti-subordination view. >> the action is within the reaction, which is an organizing term for saying people are going to have to mobilize in order to direct attention to the fact that these problems continue despite the court or certain members of the court feeling we've solved these problems a long time ago. >> rich, a final word? >> yeah, we'll see. we'll see how it goes. you know, ari, you went to michigan. you understand the benefits of this. this is what i was talking about, expansive, positive view of the future, one reactionary and restrictionist people per receive resources or can we ...

Prediction still might come true that the president is going to offer a grand bargain with major cuts. all i care about now is are these fights just for the base of each party or posturing for the cameras? >> i think we're past that. i hate to sound poly annish, but i don't think that the bases are even fooled anymore, by the fact that you can accuse the other side of cutting too much when greece, ireland and california are going up in flames. they see what's happening in new york city, in new jersey, in connecticut. everybody understands. these are serious times. >> but there's a basic arithm...

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