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Democrats refusing to negotiate with donald trump on how to fund his border wall, 25 days into this partial government shutdown. what will it take for democrats to recognize our open borders as a crisis? here to discuss, border patrol chief under president obama mark morgan. thank you for your time. it was 2014 when president barack obama spoke of the humanitarian crisis at the border. what is different now? >> there is absolutely nothing different. what this caravan represents, i hope it is not lost on the american people besides the need for the wall, what this caravan represents once again ...

Determined that the department has a good idea that involves people, technology and infrastructure. fair to say in the comments and date why from the department it would just be disingenuous to say anybody is proposing a large wall? >> yes. >> bill: let's talk about the pool factor. if you learn nothing else from the amnesty of 1986 you learn if you don't address the pull factor all you've done with amnesty is invite a lot more people in waiting for the next amnesty. what has been your experience since we started talking about daca in terms of border crossings in the past few months? >> in gen...