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Bush years or the white house in which i served, but it's a goalpost for what was normal, what was normal was tension with the media. what is not normal is what went down in the briefing room today. >> and the rally in pennsylvania. there is no point at which the media is spoken to or treated as though they are members of -- and protected members of a fourth estate, a fourth branch of government. i feel like every single day the relationship further deteriorates and we're going to a place where i don't know that we can come back from this. >> annie, it's the right word, it is the responsibilit...

Pennsylvania. there is no point at which the media is spoken to or treated as though they are members of -- and protected members of a fourth estate, a fourth branch of government. i feel like every single day the relationship further deteriorates and we're going to a place where i don't know that we can come back from this. >> annie, it's the right word, it is the responsibility of the white house to protect the press corps when they travel with them and advocate for their rights to be in pool sprays. is there concern that the white house is on a path to stop that? >> the incident in england ...

Questions. the first oval office with a foreign leader since the incident that you faced last week. you asked a question of the president, then after that you were told you couldn't cover the event afterward because they didn't like what you asked. what happens today, kaitlan? >> reporter: we expect it to be business as usual. reporters will go in the room at the beginning of that meeting with the italian prime minister. we do expect them to ask questions, as we do at every opportunity that we have with president trump. he's often eager to answer those questions, and he clearly, as you could s...

Punish a cnn reporter for asking questioning in such a space. >> when you're in these pool sprays, very often the president's done answer you, it's just for pictures. what makes trump different is he answers questions and now they want to say oh, we're not going to take a question for kaitlyn because she violated decorum. that is so ridiculous. who is less def rouse than the president. >> my question is that among the reasons she didn't is because he answers questions in that forum all of the time. >> let's bring in jeffrey tubin. great to see both of you. let's talk about president trump's tw...

Preferable to all-out standout with democrats. >> this president is a bully and he will try to intimidate all of us. he's not going to shut down anything. we are not going to be intimidated by bluffing or bullying. >> some republicans voice reluctance of idea of shutdown before the midterms. >> i think we are going to make sure we keep the government open but we are going to get better policies on immigration. the president i think wantstous have policies that work for america and work for americans. >> one major consideration is if and when might change consider kavanaugh and republicans want...