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We have seen public health -- real loss in public health leadership, officials who have retired, not been replaced, been fired or quit because of the stress of being harassed over the course of the pandemic. and so, we find ourselves in a much weaker position post pandemic as a result of all of that. >> so, let's talk about trust. because trust is elemental here. and tom, it is a fairly abstract concept so, if you are in the business of a country to country comparisons, particularly when you want to do qualifications on things like cases, hospitalizations -- how do you go about wrestling that ...

I keep going around in a circle, but when you keep coming back to one thing -- vaccines, vaccines, vaccines really do make an enormous difference. >> and i think that this also speaks to the need that we need to rebuild trust in science and public health institutions and the government. our trust in all of those institutions really does formulate -- with our vaccination rates. and unfortunately, we have seen trust in science, public health, and government eroded during the course of the pandemic. we have seen public health -- real loss in public health leadership, officials who have retired, n...

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Condemning democrats. so now he's in this position post what happened in charleston and in this environment where you have a president who spoke after charlottesville saying nazis were on the same moral plane as the folks anti-nazis. i think we're going to see more from tim scott. you have seen a similar evolution from mia love. she also was in some ways reluctant to talk about race in her party. when she was in congress and as she was leaving congress, she had very harsh words for her own party in terms of some of the rhetoric out of people like steve king and including the president. >> so m...