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Perhaps actionable, correct? >> well, exactly. i mean, if he makes some kind of a commitment that perhaps he doesn't know the history about and shouldn't make, imagine all kinds of scenarios here where he may have said things that he shouldn't have been. one of the things that struck me, of course, and has concerned me from the get-go has been how solicitous he's been with president putin of russia. that seems to be, according to postarticle, seems to be born out. >> what about china not even on a secret phone call? he pleaded with china to investigate joe biden from the south lawn. as someone...

Or near for -- is she in part the reason why you're doing your first interview here on cnn? >> yes, i am. i have resisted doing interviews since the post-article was published because frankly this story is not about me. it is their story, and they told it so well and so eloquently in such a heartwarming fashion, and "the washington post" covered it brilliantly and with such compassion themselves and such empathy that i felt that story needed to be read by people, that story did not need to have any distraction by a lawyer coming on and talking about their story. because i can't tell it better ...