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Is it really? >> it is the campaign issue and it could be controlling by the time it's all over. both from the standpoint of public safety. tragically a 10-year-old was just killed this weekend in new york city. people already were on sort of pins and needles about that possibility. but then this larger progressive movement and the post-george floyd protests that went through new york the way they did every where else, it's part of the same question. there's this defund the nypd movement that progressives have gathered around and there's a push and a pull. there's a very real sense that reform...

Just joking, about the green card holders, that's all good, no constitutional issue to see here." and the court says that's not the way it works, the white house counsel is not the president of the united states, he can write anything he wants, it does not effect what you have actually signed? >> and that is a perfect example of how badly this was lawyered, let me tell you. the thing that struck me was that there was no evidentiary showing by the government. it's like they didn't take this thing seriously. the court begged them, show us where the government, the people of the united states, wo...

Let me tell you. the thing that struck me was that there was no evidentiary showing by the government. it's like they didn't take this thing seriously. the court begged them, show us where the government, the people of the united states, would be irreparably harmed. that's one of the standards, one of the tests they used in tro. the government gave them nothing. why was that? why were they totally unprepared? why did not not even have an affidavit, something, from the cia, from some agency. even the initial argument, this overly broad argument that this is unreviewable. i mean, post-george bus...

And the conservative movement is there's such intellectual diversity especially for foreign policy with rand paul at the end of the stage to -- >> he's happy to be anywhere on the stage. >> right. to chris christie. even in the undercard debate when you look at the policies of rick santorum and lindsay gr graham, you have real hawkish group and wing represented. you have sort of a pseudolibertarian noninterventionist wing represented. you have trump and can't define in terms of politics just in terms of his bluster an enthen you have got ted cruz weaving the way through this, rubio trying to j...

In your common sense that might tell you that america won't like republican members of congress shutting down the government. believe us when we tell you that we've push polled on the issue and we've come up with a way to tell you it's going to be fine. what packetly is the republican party auditioning for right now? what exactly are they trying to win? joining us now is steve kornacki, steve, thanks very much for being here. >> happy to be here. >> so the audition here, if the republican primaries happen before right wing talk show hosts, is presumably for them to make the right wing talk sho...