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Pain. this is someone who has been an activist in the party and worked on campaigns and now finding herself outside of the party because of her nominee. it's been one of the great frustrations of many republicans around the country. i've reflected that and others when you have the argument that you can make to prosecute the case against a hillary clinton presidency and yet we find ourselves time and time again talking about things that have nothing to do with being president. as illustrated again in gettysburg, why are you talking about suing women when you're going out there to lay out a gran...

Wikileaks and it's fascinating, it's scary. and the point at the beginning of the show that we make is if there's anything that impacts this election between now and election day, it could be wikileaks. >> what do you think of julian assange? >> a fascinating compelling, interesting character. starting from his beginnings in australia. his stepfather led a cult. we start off in this cult environment. brilliant paranoid guy who has a lot of power. the squeeze is on him. he's in that embassy that cut off his internet. there's a new leader eer in he wa ecuador coming in. >> speaking of wikileaks,...

Lives were given in service to freedom. president lincoln served at a time of division like we've never seen before. it is my hope that we can look at his example to heal the divisions we are living through right now. >> so hallowed ground, incredible policy speech but just before he actually got into that policy, he had to just air some grievances. take care of a few things. take a listen. >> every woman lied when they came forward to hurt my campaign. total fabrication. [ applause ] the events never happened. never. all of these liars will be sued after the election is over. >> i'm watching ...

Great upheaval. a lot of trump supporters will be very, very -- very much full of recrimination about the y outcome of the race because you didn't support the nominee. the never trump people will fight like hell to pull the party back together while they'll try to pull the party apart. ben is exactly right. there's got to be a great awakening and come to jesus moment for the party after this election. but that would have been the case if donald trump had won because you still would have had those forces if he wins who don't want him or don't see him as a viable representative of the party stil...

From my point of view. >> just a little bit. >> it's possible. it just seems like statements every step of the way should have had you running. >> why? i mean, it's not just about -- look, we've had this conversation before, mika. yeah, donald trump has said and done things but the point that was made earlier that, you know, this was a process that unfolded over time. i mean, there were -- i mean, you and joe had nice things to say about donald trump at some point in this campaign as well. >> no. we had nice things to say about his ability to win and the people following him. we thought it cou...