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Well, the church doctrine. but the tone and the approach of it all with this pope. he is entering from the crowds screaming and wanting to just get a glimpse to a more subdued meeting with the u.s. bishops here. there's been a great -- as you point out, the word debate which is an interesting word when you talk about the church as it relates to the truth and the facts of the doctrine. but an interesting conversation on the acceptance of his message even within the higher ranks of the church. >> yeah. there is division, there's no question about it. there will be differences of opinion. not abo...

Would have a more aggressive tone in one conversation versus the other, a more specific tone in one versus the other. what are the key differences just alone. tone and ideas that we might hear from the pope? >> well, i think in new york at the u.n., the issue of the ecological environmental question is very rel havenevant the poverty question. the think the idea that the world needs to look at more seriously how they can collaborate on dealing with the environment is rooted in the judeo christian tradition that appeals to many, many leaders i think around the world. and i think you can hear hi...

White house is rooted in deep catholic social teaching. everything he said. and he drew on that in a way that when john paul ii said catholic social teaching is not left or right, it addresses the whole spectrum of the political world in a sense of both democrats and republicans in the united states. i think he had an example this morning in the white house of that in itself. when you're talking about racism or poverty, the idea that you need to address it is very clear from catholic social teaching. but how you address it is another question. what are the policies that you address poverty? ho...

All ages and all wealth levels. >> you leave 16 million children in poverty out of the ladder, and remember, he was standing in chicago about this poverty question in part around gun violence. he saying that economic opportunity is part of what keeps us safe in a community. >> and for example, what did the president do for the education in the first term? >> race to the top. >> how successful has it been? >> i have angst with race to the top and no child left behind and we are waiting to have the education conversation, but he has done as much as any president. i think it is interesting that t...

>> you know, i think it's the most important question you can ask any policy maker elected official. you got to know where they stand on this issue. it starts from the fundamental problem that people don't realize that poverty is as american as apple pie. it's fundamental to who america is. this notion that individuals essentially decide to be poor, they decide to -- they make bad decisions and they use bad judgment and then they decide to live in the same community and neighborhoods together is crazy. it's actually systems that cause poverty. if you're in an organization like mine and working...