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Also, by those kind of policies we help the economy because we ensure workers have basic purchasing power and that's the core problem with the economy today is that workers don't have enough purchasing power so businesses aren't able to invest. >> it's like a mind-set of a kleptomaniac at a big department store who says i'm going to take a couple of bed linens, they can afford it they wouldn't miss it. isn't that what washington's saying? >> i think what they're saying is that large, profitable companies need to pay their workers a living wage. now, also when companies don't do that, it impose...

If you don't like the wages they pay, don't work there. >> well, we have things like a minimum wage to ensure that when workers work hard, they have enough so they're not living in poverty. also, by those kind of policies we help the economy because we ensure workers have basic purchasing power and that's the core problem with the economy today is that workers don't have enough purchasing power so businesses aren't able to invest. >> it's like a mind-set of a kleptomaniac at a big department store who says i'm going to take a couple of bed linens, they can afford it they wouldn't miss it. isn'...

Enough purchasing power so businesses aren't able to invest. >> it's like a mind-set of a kleptomaniac at a big department store who says i'm going to take a couple of bed linens, they can afford it they wouldn't miss it. isn't that what washington's saying? >> they're saying large profitable companies need to pay their workers a living wage. now, also when companies don't do that, it imposes large costs on taxpayers. the studies show that the typical walmart store because the low wages it pays its workers, is a burden to government to taxpayers about $1 million in aid that they need to provid...

Affiliates over the past year and we have seen there are now 174 ghoups out there at least some of which including the mutual association of new york here in new york city are getting tax payer dollars yet we don't know what they are actually doing with that money. >> it's not acorn. these are new groups. it's not the same thing. >> these are groups that have the same directors have the same tax id numbers tame employer identification numbers in many cases the same employees. >> congress cuts them off they change names. >> i can tell you when i worked at the house over site committee as an inv...