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States stood by. and then the united states looks like a kind of international powder monkey, stirring up trouble and not making good -- >> let me just play devil's advocate. if the u.s. gives weapons to an opposition which is still kind of forming is itself, which we don't know exactly who all the players are, it seems like that from this vantage point. it runs the risk of some sort of escalation, we don't know where those weapons end up. we start a no fly zone, and gadhafi continues to win on the ground and the pressure builds for some sort of further intervention. >> for sure you're right. ...

Somehow survive, what will the world look like after that? he will be inraged, he will blame the united states, he may revert to terrorism. but at a minimum, we'll have a situation like that which we had in iraq in the early 1990s, where an american president called on people to do something. the first president bush called on the iraqis to rise up against saddam. then they were attacked, brutally killed, the united states stood by. and then the united states looks like a kind of international powder monkey, stirring up trouble and not making good -- >> let me just play devil's advocate. if th...

Position. so has france, so has britain, and basically, the italians are in this too. of course, we have to do this international concert, of course, we have to do it with the -- based on international law. having taken that position, i don't see how you retreat in the face of this brutality. >> from -- >> to follow up on what david gergen just said, just imagine that colonel gadhafi does somehow survive, what will the world look like after that? he will be enraged, he will blame the united states, he may revert to terrorism. but at a minimum, we'll have a situation like that which we had in i...