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My next guest thinking so. mike freeman saps that gruden's emails are not just a nfl problem but symbolic of white grievance. he joins me now. good to see you, sir. >> don, good to see you. >> explain why you think that gruden's emails are more than sports? >> i think he hits on all the white wing talking points you heard, since obama was elected in 2008. and a lot of it to me is a reflection of sort of the changing dynamics, the changing racial dynamics, and power structures in the country. if you look at all of gruden's emails, it reflects all of that. he rails against colin kaepernick, agai...

The country is just shifting. it's changing racially. it's changing -- the power structures are changing. all of it is shifting quickly, dramatically. in a big way, kaepernick represented that shift. he was the center of that shift. he caused a lot of people in the nfl to get mad. you're right about how it's a microcosm. but when you look at the nfl, it really, really energized some of the more real conservative elements in the league, and gruden is one of those guys. >> the criticism of the former president barack obama and the current president and former vice president, calling him all kind...

Las vegas raiders coach jon gruden resigning after emails come to light showing him using homophobic, racist, and misogynistic language. the emails written while he worked as an espn analyst. but is this more than a sports story? my next guest certainly thinks so. mike freeman, "usa today" editor for sports, race, and inequality, says that gruden's emails are not just an nfl problem but symbolic of white grievance. he joins me now. good to see you, sir. >> don, good to see you. how are you? >> i'm doing very well. thank you for appearing. explain why you believe gruden's email scandal is much ...

He says he is jealous of the movement that gay rights has made. look at this clip. watch. >> i can't help feel like if slaves have baby oil and booty shorts we might have been free 100 years sooner, you know what i mean? >> now, he says his problem is not with gays, it is with white people. he always kind of frames everything in his conversation in that narrative about that. do comments like that suggest there is a blind spot with regard to pete's point, intersectionality, the idea that people can have multiple interconnected identities? you can be black and gay. >> yeah, like me. you can be o...

It there. it can be a source of gratitude and compassion when we think about -- these are the things i thought and i have no control over whatsoever. it's never just genetics. it's how our structure is responding to you and that embied phenotype. what i love is the sign studies that take biology and genetics, what is it to be a woman in education has changed from 1930s to today. how have the same genetics played out differently given social structures. the power structures are responding to the genetics, of course. >> that was interesting. your mentor who does not agree